Lots of Americans here... please don't say you guys are this 'bad'!!!

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Lots of Americans here... please don't say you guys are this 'bad'!!!

Postby FastSRT8 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:24 pm

Read the article and comment....

http://www.everythingzoomer.com/americans-canadians-differently-air/?utm_source=Outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=EVZ-Feed-CAD


IF I was flying economy, I would throw the bag on the floor or call out to whomever and tell them to move their crap.

Alternatively if I was mad that day, I may just slip some crap in their bag and then use an extra lock I have and lock their bag shut.

Sit back at customs and watch them squirm IF they were asked to open their bag.

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Postby nismoZtuner » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:56 pm

FastSRT8 wrote:Read the article and comment....

http://www.everythingzoomer.com/americans-canadians-differently-air/?utm_source=Outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=EVZ-Feed-CAD


IF I was flying economy, I would throw the bag on the floor or call out to whomever and tell them to move their crap.

Alternatively if I was mad that day, I may just slip some crap in their bag and then use an extra lock I have and lock their bag shut.

Sit back at customs and watch them squirm IF they were asked to open their bag.

Hahah



"“People who board first for their seats at the back of the plane leave their luggage in these front compartments so they don’t have to bother carrying them all the way back,”
explained the man. “They don’t care that there’s no room left for the people sitting here.”
“Happens on every flight,” chimed in the women."

Sounds like BS- I would push anyone that does that to the back- I would get on their face, back then I was supper shy... I would let people push me around and I would settle with the leftovers but not anymore I grew tired of it "fck it!!!" I need to get a piece of the pie as well- If you know what I mean.. I always try and get a seat on the first 3 economy rows or economy comfort like I said I would get in their face ASAP!!...
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Postby djrez4 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:34 pm

There is truth in the stereotype.

America cultivates a top-down, me-first culture. We idolize the financiers, the CEOs, and the sports and music stars and think that we can join their ranks with little effort. That cultural laziness spreads to daily behavior. If we can grab the first overhead bin, who cares if it inconveniences the next person. If a CEO can get away with billions in fraud, who cares about manners? The irony of nismoZtuner's post isn't lost. Then again, you aren't exactly espousing Canadian values with your reaction, Fast...

That said, it may surprise you to know that the great plurality of Americans still believe in being kind to other people. We just aren't known for it.

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Postby otter » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:27 pm

I'll start this post by saying that I have deep roots in Canada- on my mother's side of the family, I have two great-grandparents who are from PEI, on my father's side, I have 1st and 2nd cousins (who are Italian-Canadian allophonic Quebecois as opposed to Italian-Americans like my paternal side). To boot, I was born on Canada Day and seriously considered going to McGill. I grew up in Florida, an area with a lot of Canadian snowbirds many of whom I called some of my closest friends. So I have the utmost respect for Canada and Canadians... they are some of the nicest people in the world!

I manage a truck stop in a state which is a major stopping point for many Canadian truckers- anyone headed to/from BC, Alberta, Sask, etc to/from Texas, the American Rockies, etc stops by my store. On a daily basis, I see many acts of inconsideration. For example, truckers will fuel up their truck then while still parked at the pump, go inside, eat, shop, etc for an hour while those truckers behind them have to wait for them to move. Some of those are Americans, born and breed, some are foreigners who live in the US (Mexicans, Russians, etc); and yes... some of them are even Canadians. I don't blame the culture of those people. Sometimes I stereotype them by occupation- truckers spend their entire day driving and have little contact with people, so they don't get much practice interacting with others. But my point is there is no monopoly on people being inconsiderate- there are plenty of Americans who show courtesy and etiquette to others and plenty of non-Americans who show the same lack of courtesy as those Americans on the plane.

Getting back to the article you linked... I think there is an anti-Americanism prevalent in Canadian society among some people. It's not the kind of "death to America" hate you might see in the Middle East, but it's one with deep roots dating back to the days when Americans "tarred and feathered" loyalists during the American Revolution and pretty much forced them to move to Canada. Those loyalists were the roots of Anglophone Canada and as a result, American and Canadian cultures are quite similar in many areas. So when an opportunity presents itself to differentiate Canadians from Americans, a noticeable difference between us- Canadians tend to jump at the opportunity to point it out. I don't know if it's a sort of defense mechanism, but many Canadians cringe at the suggestion of American and Canadian culture being so similar.

I think part of it is that Americans jump to the wrongful conclusion that Canadian culture is derived from American culture. In reality, those things which are the same (or similar) in both cultures are just as valid an expression of Canadianism as it is Americanism. And truth be told, many of those things we have in common were derived from British culture anyway. Which isn't to say Canada hasn't been influenced by us- they have. But it's been a two way street- they arguably invented football, a Canadian invented basketball, and some have even suggested our "American" pastime baseball was created in Canada.
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Postby otter » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:42 pm

djrez4 wrote:That said, it may surprise you to know that the great plurality of Americans still believe in being kind to other people. We just aren't known for it.


America is the most charitable country in the world, though...

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101240935
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Postby whit » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:42 pm

it's def American culture but it's not as simple as that ; because you have a country made up of immigrants, of past and present, as well as those so deeply inrooted that they don't consider themselves anything but American

here's an example:

in Hong Kong, when I visit, no matter which part, new territory or the usual tourist infected spots, there are people waiting in a line, orderly, for public transportation. old, young, middle age, all ages.

they calmly in a line get on.

here, in America, we have buses that will have a method for one to pay (tag your pass) in the front and the back doors. hell, we have people getting on and off both in front doors and back doors.

the same people who you'd see in Hong Kong (Asian older women and men) that would be waiting in line, with the first come first serve

has adapted to the American mentality here of shoving their way to the front. maybe in the beginning when they first arrived they thought to get on orderly, but I think after observing how others get on

their mentality is why bother

and they follow suit

that's just one example but I truly believe that over time people, would generally adapt to the "American" culture or thinking, even if they grew up in another culture like those elderly people who can't speak a lick of English and most likely came here in their late sixties or so

a few may hold strong to their beliefs

but for most part they adapt, to some things..

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Postby FastSRT8 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:01 pm

Djrez,

I never professed to be a 'good' Canadian boy. I call a spade a spade and will tell someone to F-off if they truly deserve it. ;)

The meek will not get ahead sadly.

djrez4 wrote:There is truth in the stereotype.

America cultivates a top-down, me-first culture. We idolize the financiers, the CEOs, and the sports and music stars and think that we can join their ranks with little effort. That cultural laziness spreads to daily behavior. If we can grab the first overhead bin, who cares if it inconveniences the next person. If a CEO can get away with billions in fraud, who cares about manners? The irony of nismoZtuner's post isn't lost. Then again, you aren't exactly espousing Canadian values with your reaction, Fast...

That said, it may surprise you to know that the great plurality of Americans still believe in being kind to other people. We just aren't known for it.

I'll turn the floor over to Member for what I'm sure will be a righteous rant....
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Postby nismoZtuner » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:05 pm

I wonder what is thread is going to turn into..
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Postby otter » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:31 pm

whit wrote:it's def American culture but it's not as simple as that ; because you have a country made up of immigrants, of past and present, as well as those so deeply inrooted that they don't consider themselves anything but American

here's an example:

in Hong Kong, when I visit, no matter which part, new territory or the usual tourist infected spots, there are people waiting in a line, orderly, for public transportation. old, young, middle age, all ages.

they calmly in a line get on.

here, in America, we have buses that will have a method for one to pay (tag your pass) in the front and the back doors. hell, we have people getting on and off both in front doors and back doors.

the same people who you'd see in Hong Kong (Asian older women and men) that would be waiting in line, with the first come first serve

has adapted to the American mentality here of shoving their way to the front. maybe in the beginning when they first arrived they thought to get on orderly, but I think after observing how others get on

their mentality is why bother

and they follow suit

that's just one example but I truly believe that over time people, would generally adapt to the "American" culture or thinking, even if they grew up in another culture like those elderly people who can't speak a lick of English and most likely came here in their late sixties or so

a few may hold strong to their beliefs

but for most part they adapt, to some things..


Queuing up presents a special case: (1) The English (and those influenced by them) are the most orderly when it comes to lining up in a queue. (2) How orderly people behave in line depends on the venue- as good as the British are at queuing up, you're going to see something totally different waiting in line outside a Manchester U game vs. lining up to get into the V&A museum.

In the case of Hong Kong you have the fact that British culture is still persuasive- you have that sense that people have adopted various British cultural norms. And comparing people lining up for a bus in Hong Kong vs. somewhere in the U.S. is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. Everyone probably rides the buses in Hong Kong because it is a densely populated area; in the US- public transit is the main mode of transport of the dregs of society- not saying that everyone who rides the bus is "bad", but those who are criminals, in a gang, on drugs primarily use public transit. Once again, not saying if you ride a bus, you are one of those people- there are those who do so to be "green", because it is more economical, etc. But if you've ridden any of the larger public transit systems in the US you know it's true.

And oddly enough, Americans are probably slightly less rude and disorderly waiting in line that the average nationality out there. Go to any DIsney Park and you'll see that's true. We may not be as orderly as the British, Australians, or Canadians, but we beat people from the Middle East and Southern Europe hands down. That may be a stereotype and definitely isn't true with everyone, but it is very much a cultural thing...
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Postby otter » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:35 pm

nismoZtuner wrote:I wonder what is thread is going to turn into..
Who says it has to turn into anything bad? This isn't myfico. Fast, djrez, and whit are people whose opinions I respect. I think I was honest, but I hope not disrespectful... if I was disrespectful, let me know and I will apologize or explain if I was somehow misunderstood...
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