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Postby nismoZtuner » Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:19 pm

otter wrote:Look at people who are in a long line in fast food places and text the whole time in line and then when they get to the front have no clue what they want. The courteous thing to do would have been to decide before you're at the front of the line so those behind you don't have to wait as long...


aww man how i dislike those people. They are just like the ones who walk into a store and haven't even planed out how they are going to pay for their items-

I have been into stores having to wait until the person in front of me is counting change to pay or looking in their pockets for money --_--
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Postby jlam572 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:58 pm

This is a terrible example of americans being lazy and not considering others. Some of my experiences in other countries...

my first visit to Canada was to Vancouver. Customs agent was sooo rude. I had to remind myself that I was in Canada and not Atlanta. I was there for a long layover and wanted to enter the country, take a train into town, and get something nice to eat and maybe see a few sites. She was giving me so much crap I couldn't believe it. The attitude on this woman...I swear. Then Im going up an escalator to the train and this guy with a canucks jersey passes me on the left and damn near knocks me over. Im not a little guy by any means so this was a big "check." No apology, didn't even look around...needless to say I was only in Canada for a few hours...the 2/3 contacts I had with people made me believe that its more of the same in comparison to the US.

In hong kong...if you like being pushed in line, pushed on the mtr, rude old people, people CUTTING in front of you at the ATM line and standing DIRECTLY behind you (like a few inches) while you withdraw money, security following you around in stores, then yes they are nicer than americans.

I guess im spoiled because I live in Hawaii. We have the aloha spirit and respect our kupuna. Although, this is slowly disappearing as more and more Asians and haoles buy property here and bring their bad habits/attitudes with them.

Sorry for the rant. /rant
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Postby nismoZtuner » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:06 pm

jlam572 wrote:This is a terrible example of americans being lazy and not considering others. Some of my experiences in other countries...

my first visit to Canada was to Vancouver. Customs agent was sooo rude. I had to remind myself that I was in Canada and not Atlanta. I was there for a long layover and wanted to enter the country, take a train into town, and get something nice to eat and maybe see a few sites. She was giving me so much crap I couldn't believe it. The attitude on this woman...I swear. Then Im going up an escalator to the train and this guy with a canucks jersey passes me on the left and damn near knocks me over. Im not a little guy by any means so this was a big "check." No apology, didn't even look around...needless to say I was only in Canada for a few hours...the 2/3 contacts I had with people made me believe that its more of the same in comparison to the US.

In hong kong...if you like being pushed in line, pushed on the mtr, rude old people, people CUTTING in front of you at the ATM line and standing DIRECTLY behind you (like a few inches) while you withdraw money, security following you around in stores, then yes they are nicer than americans.

I guess im spoiled because I live in Hawaii. We have the aloha spirit and respect our kupuna. Although, this is slowly disappearing as more and more Asians and haoles buy property here and bring their bad habits/attitudes with them.

Sorry for the rant. /rant



I really want to go to hawaii this year or next year.

which island one would you recommend?

which part of hawaii are you at? if i may know..
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Postby jlam572 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:58 pm

nismoZtuner wrote:I really want to go to hawaii this year or next year.

which island one would you recommend?

which part of hawaii are you at? if i may know..


I live on Oahu. My recommendation depends on what you want to experience. Without getting tooo off topic, Oahu has a great city life, night life, clubs, fancy dining, a lot of touristy stuff, etc. I used to live on Molokai (the friendly isle) and its super country, like being transported back into the 60s. Maui is beautiful, but getting crowded. Development there is starting to look like vegas. Kauai is getting quite crowded but its very green and lush, lots of good hiking, kayaking, etc. Big island has volcanoes, extreme climates, fantastic roads, hiking, small towns, and lots of places to be alone. Lanai is so small, like being transported back to Hawaii in the 1940s. There are zero stoplights on that island, just to give you an idea. If its your first time to the island, I recommend Oahu because you can get around to a lot of places by walking or taking the bus.
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Postby nismoZtuner » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:16 pm

jlam572 wrote:I live on Oahu. My recommendation depends on what you want to experience. Without getting tooo off topic, Oahu has a great city life, night life, clubs, fancy dining, a lot of touristy stuff, etc. I used to live on Molokai (the friendly isle) and its super country, like being transported back into the 60s. Maui is beautiful, but getting crowded. Development there is starting to look like vegas. Kauai is getting quite crowded but its very green and lush, lots of good hiking, kayaking, etc. Big island has volcanoes, extreme climates, fantastic roads, hiking, small towns, and lots of places to be alone. Lanai is so small, like being transported back to Hawaii in the 1940s. There are zero stoplights on that island, just to give you an idea. If its your first time to the island, I recommend Oahu because you can get around to a lot of places by walking or taking the bus.


My friend wants to go during the end of august and early September..

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Postby djrez4 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:39 pm

Back to the America-bashing!
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Postby JoDa » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:39 pm

Soooo many things here.

First, there are some jerks who just stuff their luggage wherever there's a space closest to the front, but American airline boarding preferences tend to prevent this. People with status or near-status or who paid a higher fare are usually seated closer to the front and board earlier, others further back and board later. It doesn't eliminate the *whole* problem, but it does limit it on mainline carriers. On any aircraft that has a premium class(es) that economy passengers walk through, the FAs will not let economy passengers stuff their baggage in the premium class bins until all other space is full (and all premium passengers' luggage is comfortably stowed). Personally, I think we should reverse the system and PAY people to check their bags instead of the other way around (faster boarding = shorter turn time!), but I'm not in charge.

Second, as far as how people stand in lines or board other things, it TOTALLY depends on the LOCAL (if not MICRO) culture. Don't you DARE come to DC and try to shove your way onto public transit. Oh...no no no. You will get told off in a heartbeat, if not bodily shoved out of the way by someone trying to get off or otherwise enforce good behavior. Even if there are a lot of tourists taking public transit during our peak season (which seems to last for 10 months anymore), there are far more locals around, and we will gang up on tourists to force them to conform. "Step back to allow passengers to exit" is the automated announcement that plays when our Metro train doors open, and WE MEAN IT. We form neat little tunnels around the train doors and wait for everyone to get off before getting on. Hoodrat, businessman, average joe...we have RULES.

As for poorer people taking buses (people who take the train in DC, on average, are pretty rich (median HH income of over $100K), but people who take buses, not so much), they, on average, are not jerks, either. Again, I think it's culture. We've cultivated a culture of respect, and young people and men often wave me onto the bus ahead of them, offer me their seat, and everyone lines up respectfully and gets off briefly/moves aside to let others off if it's crowded. Older people, pregnant women, parents with children, the disabled...they get on first, they don't have to ask for seats, etc.

It's simply people who don't understand the culture and/or basic manners who are problematic (COUGH tourists). Today I had to yell at a group of pre-teen girls who were using the escalator as their very own toy by running up the down escalator to get them out of my way so I could get into the Metro without killing myself. Their chaperone was not kindly in her response to me loudly announcing "yeah, that's not funny or cute, get the hell out of the way, people need to use this escalator." Not even joking, an ADULT got lippy with *ME* because I told HER CHARGES to quit dicking around on the escalator dozens of other people were trying to use PROPERLY AND FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE. But it does pay to know your audience. On Sunday, a large group of seemingly well-mannered adults had clogged up the top of the escalator I was trying to go down, and I said "are y'all getting on the escalator or not?" in a neutral tone and they promptly moved aside with profuse apologies. It's a skill you learn living in tourist Mecca...when to pull out the claws and when to ask nicely.
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Postby darkguy2 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:54 pm

I learned pretty fast when I went to DC last fall. You stay to the right if you are standing on the escalator and the left if you are moving up. Never had a problem but I was using common sense.
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Postby JoDa » Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:16 am

Last night, Seth Myers had a joke that spring tourists in NYC were visiting "the middle of the sidewalk." Goes for any big city, but this is why we seem so rude to tourists. Would you stop your car in the middle of the highway to "look around?" Would you get angry if someone beeped at you for doing so? So...

By all means, look around. That's what you're here for, right? But don't be a dick about it. If you're on a sidewalk, move to the side. If you want to stand on an escalator, stand on the right (hey, my mom can't walk them, either, but I make her stand on the right...I do the same myself if I want to shoot off a text before I get out of the station). Don't stop at the end of the escalator (it didn't stop just because you got off it, and I will shove you if the choice is move you or fall over, though, when possible, I give a "HEY, THE ESCALATOR IS STILL MOVING, GET OUT OF THE WAY!" before shoving). If you don't ride public transit as a matter of course, sit down or hold on to the dang pole and make your kids do so as well (I've been knocked over by flying children who were "just having fun" when the train made a sudden stop or start). Walk to the right side of the sidewalk unless you're passing someone slower. And if you need help, ask nicely and don't take it out on the person helping you if the answer you get is less than perfect (for example, if asking for directions reveals that you're further away from your destination than you thought you were, DO NOT curse out the VERY NICE person who gave you those directions...it's not THEIR fault you're lost).

Given my 8 years of experience in the heart of tourist Mecca, I have to say I prefer foreign tourists over American ones. I'm sure we get plenty of American tourists I don't even notice because they observe what's going on around them and behave politely, but my interactions with foreign tourists have generally been far more positive than American ones. If they ask me for directions, they do so politely and act like it's an inconvenience for *me* to help them out (it's really not if they're nice about it). Like me when I'm abroad and barely speak the local language, they apologize for their English (even though their English is usually far better than my...whatever...and if it IS really that bad, I offer up my phone on Google Translate). My memorable experiences with foreign tourists trend strongly positive, while my interactions with American tourists trend strongly negative. There are exceptions to both those stereotypes, but they're stereotypes for a reason...

FWIW, I'm generally treated pretty well abroad. I try to live by the mantra of "when in Rome, do as the Romans do," and just generally be nice to everyone. And I try to bring the best parts of American culture with me...ummm...we tip well? Also, the whole lines thing in Asia. For serious...back off and stop trying to cut. I will block you with a smile (Hong Kong is a MAJOR exception in Asia).
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Postby JoDa » Thu Apr 10, 2014 12:23 am

Oh, also, I went to Vancouver last summer, and the Customs agent was ALSO very unpleasant to me! She was the exception in that trip, but there were moments when I didn't think I was going to get into the country, and I was on the verge of tears because I was jet-lagged and my brain thought it was almost 3 AM. Usually telling Customs agents that I work for the US government disarms them and they wave me through with very few other questions, but she was NOT impressed by that. She just kept harping on me GASPGASPGASP vacationing alone and wanted to know WHY (???) I was doing that. It took me 20 minutes to get through, and even then I was watching my back because her attitude made me believe she would summon a Mountie to follow me around. Perhaps it was the same dour witch? Fortunately, everyone else was really nice.
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