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Postby whit » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:51 pm

I'm okay, I met the founder of this huge bus line, and, the daughter happily carries a Birkin and has Cartier love bracelets dangling off her wrists.

But, I am comparing example of buses in San Francisco, which if you don't already know, is a city, combined with BART (which also holds same thing, people crowding to get in first), people here of all sorts do not need to drive

Whether it's the example I've given, or Caucasians, African Americans, Mexicans, doesn't matter..they all push, they all go up front or in the back, and they can be carrying middle class michael kors or used over and over paper bags from stores..

And again, that is just one example. Just like you have a different perspective..there are different examples.

Eta, I just realized the way my response was taken, through the answer you've given, obv it didn't come out right, or get read the way I wanted


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Postby otter » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:07 pm

whit wrote:I'm okay, I met the founder of this huge bus line, and, the daughter happily carries a Birkin and has Cartier love bracelets dangling off her wrists.

But, I am comparing example of buses in San Francisco, which if you don't already know, is a city, combined with BART (which also holds same thing, people crowding to get in first), people here of all sorts do not need to drive

Whether it's the example I've given, or Caucasians, African Americans, Mexicans, doesn't matter..they all push, they all go up front or in the back, and they can be carrying middle class michael kors or used over and over paper bags from stores..

And again, that is just one example. Just like you have a different perspective..there are different examples.

Eta, I just realized the way my response was taken, through the answer you've given, obv it didn't come out right, or get read the way I wanted


I really don't have much experience with Bay Area Transportation- I guess I assumed it was Southern Cal you were talking about (LA is a whole different animal, though). By the way, I didn't mean anything racial by "dregs of society"... some of the trashiest people I've met on buses have been white.

But I do get what you are saying... people do tend to be pushy in the US nowadays. I think it's more a sign of how etiquette is becoming less and less important in the US. Look at people who are in a long line in fast food places and text the whole time in line and then when they get to the front have no clue what they want. The courteous thing to do would have been to decide before you're at the front of the line so those behind you don't have to wait as long...
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Postby otter » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:10 pm

whit wrote:But, I am comparing example of buses in San Francisco, which if you don't already know, is a city


Isn't San Francisco a city and county... kind of like Denver?
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Postby Kaiokenryu » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:28 pm

i wish i had the chance to experience what you all describe.

i don't travel as much as I would like......I guess in my inexperience.....I would put up with the inconsiderate behavior just to be on someone's bird.....to go to another place.....the last time I was on a plane.....7 years ago....and then 12 years before that.

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i wish i could freely travel like many of you....alas....money and obligation keep me humbly grounded to near by cities.

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Postby whit » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:42 pm

^always amazes me that there are people who never get to venture outside their city/country so it makes me humble when I get the opp

otter wrote:I really don't have much experience with Bay Area Transportation- I guess I assumed it was Southern Cal you were talking about (LA is a whole different animal, though). By the way, I didn't mean anything racial by "dregs of society"... some of the trashiest people I've met on buses have been white.

But I do get what you are saying... people do tend to be pushy in the US nowadays. I think it's more a sign of how etiquette is becoming less and less important in the US. Look at people who are in a long line in fast food places and text the whole time in line and then when they get to the front have no clue what they want. The courteous thing to do would have been to decide before you're at the front of the line so those behind you don't have to wait as long...


Yeah, sf is city and a county, never really pay much attention to stuff like that until I come across legal docs that need notarization or things like fictitious name registrations

I work a lot with business owners and you would not believe how rude some of them can be.. I know time is money for them but there are protocols for certain things, like you need to be there for a wire, especially one in the millions, and if you're having a notary, the whole point is to verify you as a person, have the entry made, and witness you signing. It can't be done over the phone, through a fax, etc etc

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Postby djrez4 » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:08 pm

FastSRT8 wrote:Djrez,

I never professed to be a 'good' Canadian boy. I call a spade a spade and will tell someone to F-off if they truly deserve it. ;)

The meek will not get ahead sadly.


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Postby MemberSince99 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:49 am

otter wrote:Who says it has to turn into anything bad? This isn't myfico. Fast, djrez, and whit are people whose opinions I respect. I think I was honest, but I hope not disrespectful... if I was disrespectful, let me know and I will apologize or explain if I was somehow misunderstood...


True but you failed to discuss how beneficial gardening is to manners and culture, so for that you deserve to be banned for life. I don't think you've drank the KoolAid otter, you just pretended to and spit it out when no one was looking.

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Postby MemberSince99 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:54 am

djrez4 wrote:There is truth in the stereotype.

America cultivates a top-down, me-first culture. We idolize the financiers, the CEOs, and the sports and music stars and think that we can join their ranks with little effort. That cultural laziness spreads to daily behavior. If we can grab the first overhead bin, who cares if it inconveniences the next person. If a CEO can get away with billions in fraud, who cares about manners? The irony of nismoZtuner's post isn't lost. Then again, you aren't exactly espousing Canadian values with your reaction, Fast...

That said, it may surprise you to know that the great plurality of Americans still believe in being kind to other people. We just aren't known for it.

I'll turn the floor over to Member for what I'm sure will be a righteous rant....




Why bother - you pretty much summed it up. Isn't it obvious? Here they think they are so wonderful they go to the FRONT of the line, in their eyes the back is for losers. If you worked for the people I do, you might see things differently. Oh sure they are POLITE but it's all fake they'll lie right to your face looking you in the eye and stab you in the back without flinching. Not much to add but trust at your own peril.

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Postby darkguy2 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:11 pm

You can see this mindset when people are waiting to board. People stand in the front by the gate entrance while they are the last to board so they make it harder for others to board. I have had people give me looks when I am standing in the front to board first since I always get priority boarding. I fly comfortably in a tshirt and shorts/jeans so I guess they assume I am not good enough for it and am trying to cut in line. I get to my seat and put my stuff directly above me and pop in the earbuds.
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Postby FastSRT8 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:17 pm

LOL. Good on you bro!

This is why I purposely place my boarding pass with the seating class in plain view within my passport. Especially useful when there is no separated business/first boarding line. People see that and leave me the fawk alone.

If they are dumb enough to give me a comment, then I'll ask them politely what seat they are on.... clearly unless they are in front of me, they should wait behind me.

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darkguy2 wrote:You can see this mindset when people are waiting to board. People stand in the front by the gate entrance while they are the last to board so they make it harder for others to board. I have had people give me looks when I am standing in the front to board first since I always get priority boarding. I fly comfortably in a tshirt and shorts/jeans so I guess they assume I am not good enough for it and am trying to cut in line. I get to my seat and put my stuff directly above me and pop in the earbuds.
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