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Postby darkguy2 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:37 pm

Well since I am starting to come into the workplace more I am noticing how much businesses and corporations control us. The big thing is how much money you make. I have always been told since I was a kid that the big taboo is to talk about how much you are being payed to your co-workers. I can see if someone is being a jerk and wants to gloat but what if your co-worker is being payed significantly more than you while doing the same exact job and the same quality of work? You will never know so you will just be happy with the wage management decides to give you. Why should you not be able to casually talk about how much you make? It only hurts the workers not the bosses. Seems like the same scam that was drilled into our heads like diamonds are priceless and if you do not get your girl a diamond ring then you are a cheapskate. Diamonds are almost worthless and are pretty common. But in the late 30's people fell for it hook-line-and-sinker.

It also used to be where you would join a company and the only thing you had to worry about was coming in on time and working your 8 hours. If you did that and did not screw the company you were pretty much guaranteed to have a job till you retired and got your pension and/or retirement fund. They would take care of your medical and any other major problems to make sure you are happy. Now it is the opposite. It is almost guaranteed that when I go work for a engineering company I will not work for them for any extended time and will work for 4-5 companies before I retire. This seems to be a mindset on both sides I have seen. Businesses will effortlessly lay off people if you can outsource them and workers will leave if they find a better offer elsewhere. I guess the good old days of workers getting a fair wage and staying with a company till they retire is gone.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:49 pm

Yep, that whole loyalty thing is so 1960s. That's been dead for years. Though the funny thing is, you still hear them talk about how you owe them loyalty and are a traitor if you leave for someplace less insane, but if they send your job to a third world slave wage hellhole that's "rightsizing".


The reason they don't like workers talking about their pay is when someone finds out they are getting screwed (either in reality or their perception) it affects morale and thus work. Let's face it - if you find out you are making a lot less than one of your peers who has been there about as long as you and does about the same work, is your reaction going to be "gee I should work harder than they will surely recognize me and pay me more too" or is it going to be "man I'm getting shafted time to brush off my resume and see what other companies will pay me and make up for it by surfing the internet some more"? Probably the latter. And they know that.


If you want to talk about scams at work, consider the whole "EXEMPT" classification. When this was foisted on the sheeple of this country, I recall the media (basically the government propaganda mouthpiece) proclaiming what a great thing this is for workers, because now we can choose to have "comp time" instead of getting paid for our time and how wonderful this is. They never explained exactly why getting paid for what you work is so bad in the first place, or how it is they thought that if corporate America wasn't going to compensate us for hours over 40 that we'd ever see any of this "comp time" to begin with. And think about it - how many people do you know who get this "comp time" today? Are these people more likely to be thrilled with what a flexible work schedule they get, or are they working a lot of extra hours for free? I think we all know what the most likely case is here. And we all know too that anyone stupid enough to even bring up the subject of comp time is going to be met with laughter and put onto the next list of people to be "rightsized" too for good measure.


If you're looking for liberty and justice all that good horse hockey, the workplace isn't where you are likely to find it. You're more likely to find a gold nugget sitting in one of the drawers in your cube. They have one goal and one goal only - to squeeze as much out of you as they can for as little cost as possible. That's the name of the game. You are a resource (as in human resource) a commodity and the cheaper they can get that commodity the better in their view.

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Postby darkguy2 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:27 pm

I know that was true with my internship. I loved what I did and turned down a higher offer since I wanted to work at the lower-paying internship more. I got payed better than a lot of people with regular jobs but I got absolutely zero benefits. I was a "temporary" employee so that meant I got no sick time, PTO, 401K, and payed holidays. That meant that the days that were holidays I was forced not to work and did not get payed for it. And in the end I got payed much less than the engineers I was under. So they can hire me to lessen the workload and not have to pay for another costly engineer. And when my internship was over and I was asked to give a review for other students to look at to help them choose I was told to describe my experience but not to include any of the bad things such as the fact that I got no benefits. I guess my university does not want other students to know about the drawbacks unless they know to ask during the interview which is unlikely. Even if you do ask then they say it will make the impression that you are only doing it for the money. In the end I guess I do not want to bite the hand that feeds me since I will most likely be trying to get a job there after I graduate.
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Postby linuxmachine » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:49 pm

Some fields go both ways. Corporations want to rip you off but workers tend to be like mercenaries for hire. They jump ship to companies with the best pay and perks

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Postby cashback » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:04 pm

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Postby Vattené » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:04 am

darkguy2 wrote:I know that was true with my internship. I loved what I did and turned down a higher offer since I wanted to work at the lower-paying internship more. I got payed better than a lot of people with regular jobs but I got absolutely zero benefits. I was a "temporary" employee so that meant I got no sick time, PTO, 401K, and payed holidays. That meant that the days that were holidays I was forced not to work and did not get payed for it. And in the end I got payed much less than the engineers I was under. So they can hire me to lessen the workload and not have to pay for another costly engineer. And when my internship was over and I was asked to give a review for other students to look at to help them choose I was told to describe my experience but not to include any of the bad things such as the fact that I got no benefits. I guess my university does not want other students to know about the drawbacks unless they know to ask during the interview which is unlikely. Even if you do ask then they say it will make the impression that you are only doing it for the money. In the end I guess I do not want to bite the hand that feeds me since I will most likely be trying to get a job there after I graduate.


I was in a similar situation at my internship. I loved working there and the people I actually worked with, but the superiors were downright insincere and would tell you anything to your face. They extended my internship and told me they were trying to find a way to offer me a job. What they really got was a few more months of cheap labor, after which I was kicked out in the cold.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:42 am

linuxmachine wrote:Some fields go both ways. Corporations want to rip you off but workers tend to be like mercenaries for hire. They jump ship to companies with the best pay and perks



Well I guess after enough of them have rightsized you and offshored your job to India, your loyalty might tend to become a bit more like theirs.....


I used to question that but after watching management in action, all I can say is what comes around goes around and I don't blame people for doing the best they can for themselves and looking out for themselves just like the company does - you have to, because no one is going to look out for you.

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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:45 am

Vattené wrote:I was in a similar situation at my internship. I loved working there and the people I actually worked with, but the superiors were downright insincere and would tell you anything to your face. They extended my internship and told me they were trying to find a way to offer me a job. What they really got was a few more months of cheap labor, after which I was kicked out in the cold.



That sounds just like the liars in action. Here's a novel idea - instead of "trying" to find a way to hire you how about they just "do" it? Maybe you should have been told them you were "trying" to work too and see what reaction you got. No future there anyway so what the hell.

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Postby Vattené » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:02 pm

MemberSince99 wrote:That sounds just like the liars in action. Here's a novel idea - instead of "trying" to find a way to hire you how about they just "do" it? Maybe you should have been told them you were "trying" to work too and see what reaction you got. No future there anyway so what the hell.

I was probably too naive, but I thought I actually had a chance. The excuses they gave me seemed like legitimate reasons, at least before I saw how two-faced they were. I'm not just being bitter, either - others I worked with saw how useless and hypocritical they are. I remember some telling me about how the superiors would shoe-horn their way into meetings where they were completely unneeded just to justify the existence of their positions.

It's a shame, too, because the people I would have worked with really were great.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:52 pm

I can believe that. That's what they can put on their weekly status report, is that they attended a meeting.


The sneakier ones will start saying they attended meetings even if they only attended in spirit, because that's just the kind of "team players" that they are.


Finding a great group of people to work with is a big part of the battle. I know I enjoy any position more when I really like working with the people as opposed to it not bothering me the thought of them getting hit by a bus (other than getting their workload piled on me).



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