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Postby linuxmachine » Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:34 pm

It's not until you join corporate life that you hear the term 'fail up' haha


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Postby MemberSince99 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:02 am

Seriously guys if you are young and starting out in some corporate hell, watch your back. You go in all bright eyed and bushy tailed, not realizing how the game is played, but you soon learn as a result of lots of pain. You think you will bust your tail and that it will be recognized and rewarded, not a chance of a snowball in hell it's how you play your politics that matters much more. And always cover your back and never trust anyone they will stick you in a heartbeat to advance themselves it may not be personal (or may be) but rest assured if they have to climb your corpse to rise up the ass kissing ladder, then so be it.


If it's anything like the loony bin I currently work in, they will do everything totally screwed up and always be looking for a scapegoat to cover their own stupidity and insanity, so make sure you aren't that scapegoat. It does no good at all to argue logic against the wacky things they plan to do - you can't reason with a nut. Just spend that time covering your own ass and making sure YOU don't take the fall for what you know is going to fail spectacularly. Which frankly is just about anything they are in charge of if you'll notice the pattern by the way. You aren't psychic to be able to predict that you just have a few functioning brain cells which is more than they have. But they are better ass kissers so up the ladder they rise.

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Postby linuxmachine » Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:00 am

I think everyone should find their happy medium. Sometimes, you take one for the team. Sometimes you let someone else take the credit if it allows you access to other opportunities. If you cover your ass too much, your teammates will never trust you. You may not be able to build the type of relationships to help your career grow. Do the best you can, but when you succeed, share a little bit and establish your network. You never know who will succeed. Even the scumbags have their days, and sometimes that relationship can come in handy too. This is not to say bend over backwards, but there's usually a middle ground between cover your ass and getting reamed.

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Postby darkguy2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:02 pm

We had a senior VP from a big tech company come talk to us last week in my class. He talked about career advancement. Real great guy and started out as an engineer over 25 years ago and has worked in a multitude of companies and jobs. He said that basically you should not wait for a opportunity to come to you for a position above you. Sometimes you have to take a chance and move sideways to be able to move up. Also that if you are in a large company that is not growing much the opportunities for advancement will be few and far between. In a small start-up you may have the ability to work your way to the top. Also said that while working your butt off at the beginning is good for the first few advancements you must change to building your reputation and networking to get higher. When you first start off basically you career is in the hands of you manager for better or worse but you want to get to the point where you control your career and not others including your family or friends. You design you own success and not base it on relation to others. Pretty insightful stuff.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:54 pm

When did trust become part of the equation in the shark tank group I'm in? Trust with people like that is for chumps, whose backs look like a great way to climb their way up.


With normal decent people your way works. I love that environment. But with the ones I work with, they'll be delighted you have that outlook is all I can say. You'll quickly learn not to.


I do trust the folks outside my team but on my team I trust no one. Most places I've been with I've generally trusted and enjoyed working with, not this one. I'd be a fool to do that, it would be like being a Jew in Nazi Germany and counting on the goodness of humanity to protect you from evil - good luck there.

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Postby linuxmachine » Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:00 pm

MemberSince99 wrote:When did trust become part of the equation in the shark tank group I'm in? Trust with people like that is for chumps, whose backs look like a great way to climb their way up.


With normal decent people your way works. I love that environment. But with the ones I work with, they'll be delighted you have that outlook is all I can say. You'll quickly learn not to.


I do trust the folks outside my team but on my team I trust no one. Most places I've been with I've generally trusted and enjoyed working with, not this one. I'd be a fool to do that, it would be like being a Jew in Nazi Germany and counting on the goodness of humanity to protect you from evil - good luck there.


That's fine too. If your happy medium is on one side of the extreme, that's ok. The message was that every place is different, and simply going into any office with the idea that people are going to screw you over so you should defend yourself can be counter productive.

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Postby JoDa » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:36 pm

But there's the flip side of the culture, too. I work for the federal government. Most of my coworkers are bright, hard-working folks who believe in their mission (and as I've said elsewhere, our mission gets some good results for everyday people), but we have the deadwood we just can't get rid of. No joke, a lazy, unproductive, and likely unbalanced coworker who sits near me broke down in tears and stormed off to file a complaint with HR today because I went out to lunch with a handful of coworkers I am friends with and he wasn't invited. This is probably the thousandth complaint he's filed, and I know one of them was because I got a job he wanted at a higher level, which I was qualified for and he wasn't. While my promotion was ultimately ruled justified, we probably spent tens of thousands of dollars on the "fair evaluation" investigation to come to that conclusion. When you put everything into a structure that values tenure over skills (seriously, this guy can barely compose an email and was applying for a technical, essentially IT, position when he complained that I got it and he didn't), things don't work any better than when kissing ass gets you better treatment. After being on both sides of the coin, I've decided the only way to get ahead is to be desirable. If I could storm off over a transgression and have a new, probably better-paying, job in a day, then I'll be treated right. Otherwise, I would have to put up with whatever my employer decided was "fair."
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Postby MemberSince99 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:17 am

I agree JoDa. The problem with that though is, they are all nuts. I mean everywhere you go it's the same circus just different ringmasters. I should know I did a lot of contracting and moving around, honestly mostly to escape the wackos in one place only to find they were even more certifiable in the next.


It helps being desirable, but be careful what you wish for you might get it. I've jumped from the frying pan into the fire more than once. It's all roses when you start at a place but you soon learn whether the move was really wise or not.

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Postby JoDa » Sun Mar 30, 2014 7:32 pm

It's not so much about jumping as being able to. Within reason, I get what I want because my bosses know that I get recruited on the regular. I still have to perform, but if someone is making my life miserable or I need something (faster computer, light bulbs to actually get replaced (yes, they are really bad about doing this in my building), a training course, etc.) I at least get listened to if not the problem fixed/need accommodated pretty quickly. Jumping between jobs a lot can have unexpected blowback, and, yes, there are crazies everywhere, but I let it be known that other people want me and they'll have to treat me like a valuable asset and a professional if they want to keep me.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 9:32 pm

Man that must be nice. I'm trying to think if I've ever been treated that way, and I probably have been at a few positions but that was so long ago I can't really remember what it's like. Where I live is still pretty much economically depressed and so these guys here have just become accustomed to desperate people damn near willing to pay to work to have a job, so the arrogance and abuse levels are really off the charts.


And that doesn't look to change anytime soon either so far as I can tell, I mean I can't see why things would suddenly improve here. I'd love to pleasantly surprised, I just don't see anything that would bring that about.


Despite that and despite working for my friend I've about reached the limit of abuse and games I care to take where I am now. I went home Friday night just steamed about the weekly BS load, and was still hacked off on Saturday morning about it. I set my resumes from private to visible and despite loyalty I'm just feeling like I have a right to find what happiness I can and I sure as hell don't have any at the nuthouse I'm at now. It's getting to the point it really can't get a lot worse, and I honestly can't live like that. It's to that point.



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