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Postby darkguy2 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:03 am

If you have any questions about the military I can ask my brother who is the XO at one of the MEPS. He should know anything about getting enlisted that you would ask.
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Postby sakhalin » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:08 am

Snowman wrote:Sakhalin- I know. But from the LAPD Officers that I talked to and have known for a little while now almost all of them recommend Military service because it will help if you are selected. I have a clean record with no arrest, drug usage or anything of the like, no tickets, etc. I just don't want to be turned down for after going through the entire process, whereas If I have Military service, I think it will be beneficial and give me an edge to get hired with either agency.

That's not necessarily true for the most part. LAPD hires on attrition and they pick the qualified candidates based on their results (tests, psych exam, oral board/polygraph, background investigation), rather than a [veteran's] "preference". If you get turned down somewhere through the process, it won't be because you don't have military experience. A large agency like LAPD won't care what your previous occupation was. As long as you meet the requirements you can apply, and as long as you pass their test you can advance to the interview/oral board. And as long as you fare well on that, then you advance on the next step, and so on. Just because you have military experience doesn't mean you get extra points on each step, know what I mean? Now, military experience will be beneficial for you experience wise and you might get a pay differential. But when it comes to hiring, it's all about how well you fare on all the steps.
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Postby JoDa » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:14 am

Honestly, given all you've said, it sounds like either joining the military or just taking a chance on joining a LE agency now is your best bet. I know a lot of people do degrees in criminal justice or some such thinking it will improve their chances with bigger LE agencies, but I've had occasion to talk with our local officers (DC MPD, as far as I can tell a large and fairly selective agency), and most of them don't have degrees. The crime scene guys and detectives do, so if that's a path you're interested in, it might make sense to get a degree at some point, but that can be done later once you have a clear path. Military experience will improve your chances with big agencies, and also give you GI benes you can use later if you want a position that would require a degree.
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Postby Snowman » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:21 am

Dark Guy- Not many questions, but what exactly happens at MEPS? I know you take the ASVAB, then talk to a job classifier. Is there anything else that happens? Does he handle recruits from all branches or just a certain one? Anything that I need to know or do before heading there?

Sakhalin- Your right, it's not necessarily true. I just thought it would be more beneficial if anything. Actually, I really want to be a CHP Officer, but since their not hiring at the moment, I would go with the LAPD as a backup agency OR if the CHP decides not to hire me. I see what exactly what you mean, thank you :) . My background is pretty clean for the most part. Never really been in any trouble, no tickets, no drugs or anything.

JoDA- I just think the military experience will be a plus and be beneficial for me, yeah mostly they don't.I know a few guys that have CJ degrees and it doesn't help. Most Officers I talk to say that if you do get a degree, get one in something else other then CJ in case LE doesn't work out. I'd rather have some more life experience before going through the LE hiring process if anything and have some more skills that I can use and develop as well...that and I get some direction and discipline in me as well..and it improves my chances of getting hired. If worse comes to worse and there is a hiring freeze, I'd go to school to be an EMT and if they aren't hiring either...then I'd go back to school and get a degree in Finance or accounting. I'm good with numbers and percentages and it would be something I would be interested in if neither of the other careers I had in mind don't work out.
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Postby darkguy2 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:38 am

Well he gave me a tour of the MEPS and took me through the process so I will tell you what he told me and if there is something you still want to know I will text him.

The MEPS is where you will go after your recruiter has t̶r̶i̶c̶k̶e̶d̶ signed you up. From there you will go to your nearest MEPS. I think he said it is all in one or two days but you get there very early in the morning and spend the entire day there. You walk in and you wait in the waiting room until they take you back to do your paperwork and give you one last chance to tell them anything that you may have left out and they may find out later. After this you go to the medical section where you get a check-up and a AIDS test. If you pass this then you will take the ASVAB if you have not already. Then they give a lecture on basics such as your allowances and how to use them and your pay. Then you go into a room and you do your oath and are sworn in to the military. From this point on your are the property of the US military. My brother does a lot of the ceremonies where he swears the new recruits in and gives them a small speech where he gives them some tips. He swears in all of the branches. Basically the job of the MEPS is to filter out the bad recruits from the good ones that the recruiters send as they have quotas they have to meet so they may try to bend the rules to meet them. You do get fed while you are there but the building may be pretty old depending on where you go. The one I saw was brand new so it was rather nice and well designed. You do not have to worry about people screaming at you till you get to basic which depends on what branch to where you go. Be warned that the Marine's is at Paris Island, SC and it is not a nice area to go to basic during the summer as there are sand fleas that will eat you alive.
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Postby dickey1331 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:25 am

You should join the Coast Guard. You can do LE and military at the same time. Pretty good gig too. Im an OS in the Coast Guard so if you have any questions just ask.
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Postby Snowman » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:18 am

Darkguy- Thank you, that's exactly the type of information I was looking for.

Dickey-One of the rates I'm hoping the navy has open when I enlist is OS. What exactly does an OS do? I know that they are on a ship much of the time but beyond that, I'm not sure what else you guys do. How do you like the CG? Is boot camp and schooling afterwards difficult?
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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:46 am

Snowman wrote:Darkguy- Thank you, that's exactly the type of information I was looking for.

Dickey-One of the rates I'm hoping the navy has open when I enlist is OS. What exactly does an OS do? I know that they are on a ship much of the time but beyond that, I'm not sure what else you guys do. How do you like the CG? Is boot camp and schooling afterwards difficult?




I've never been to boot camp but I know people who have been. They have confirmed it is hell on earth. If you want a realistic idea of what it's like, check out the boot camp scenes in "Jarhead" or "Full Metal Jacket".

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Postby darkguy2 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:00 am

All of them will be hard as they will be breaking you down so they can make you into a soldier. The easiest of the hard is Air Force as they are not really front-line so they will not be on the same level as say the Marines or Army who have to fight on the front-lines. Air Force also has the best bases. If my brother needs to go somewhere he will look for a Air Force base to stay at as they are always nicer than the other branches. Air Force also has the best tech jobs.
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Postby jlam572 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:00 pm

Depends on what you want to get into. If you don't have your heart set on something worth while, id recommend the military. Youd do your 4 years, decide what you want to do when youre 22 and GI bill will pay for your college. You also get tuition assistance for any classes you take while youre enlisted.

let me tell you a small story... a very good friend of mine went to the most prestigious private high school here in Hawaii. Punahou (same school Obama went to.) he then went to purdue and graduated with honors with a degree in psychology. He makes 45k a year. School is good if you have a degree worth while. You should really decide what you want BEFORE you get balls deep in student loans.
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