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Postby Snowman » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:54 pm

Dark guy- right now my goal college wise is to finish my general Ed, I don't have any set idea of a major yet.
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Postby sakhalin » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:06 pm

darkguy2 wrote:Well it is to late for you to get into ROTC. The latest is 2nd year if I remember right. You can always go enlisted and then go officer. What is your degree? If it is a area of need then you may have a good chance of getting into OTS after you graduate from college.

If he transfers into a 4 year university, he may still have time for ROTC. I think Snowman is still at a community college, correct?
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Postby cashback » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:07 pm

I was in the Air Force for 4 years. I am an Air Traffic Controller. The government is now paying for my degree in full and paying me a $1400 a month housing allowance.

If you don't know what you want to do yet, stop going to school. Getting your GenEds done is fine, but to go further than that without knowing what you want to do is a waste of time and money.
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Postby linuxmachine » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:19 pm

Besides the EMT you prob don't require any sort of degree. You may need just an AA for law enforcement depending on where you serve. Real estate all you need to do is take the test, but you gotta join an agency. In the past, a BA allowed you to be fully independent after passing the exam but I don't think that's the case anymore.

Whichever way you go, I don't think you can do all 3, or even 2 for that matter. Focus on one and keep at it unless it makes you miserable

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Postby Snowman » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:29 pm

Sakhalin- your correct, I'm still at a community college.

Cashback- that sounds good. I'm considering joining the navy mainly because Many of my friends are in their and they've had good expiriences with them. Yeah I figured that as well, classes are getting harder to get and I think I can use my time better then at school.
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Postby cashback » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:40 pm

Snowman wrote:Sakhalin- your correct, I'm still at a community college.

Cashback- that sounds good. I'm considering joining the navy mainly because Many of my friends are in their and they've had good expiriences with them. Yeah I figured that as well, classes are getting harder to get and I think I can use my time better then at school.


Navy and Air Force are the way to go. For the most part, they are the best a preparing you for a civilian job if you choose to get out.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:55 pm

otter wrote:Remember that scene near the end of the "Wizard of Oz" where the not-so-powerful wizard tells the Scarecrow he doesn't need a brain- he just needs a degree? For most really good jobs, you need that little piece of paper. Just don't have any grand idea about actually learning something useful at most four year colleges/graduate schools. Case in point is that clown with an MBA from Harvard Business who came in here last week and didn't know what a FICO score was.




Great point! The management of my company is living proof of this concept. Just wear an expensive suit, wrap it in a degree, and have it talk in buzzwords and make uninformed decisions and feel entitled to massive bonuses regardless of performance and you're there.


It also helps if you are a sociopath too.

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Postby Snowman » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:02 pm

Linux-Both agencies that I want to work for require a diploma but if I want to promote I have to have a degree in something. What I was thinking was Id like to save as much money as I can and maybe buy a property (credits good, income isn't yet) and If it doesn't work out then train to be an EMT. I worry that if I have a family one day and am an LEO also and something happens to me then at least they'll be taken cared of. I was a CHP explorer and got to meet some medics, their work was often life savings but saddening. I think it would help.

Cash back-I thought the same thing as well. I have friends in the army and marine corps but I realized that they don't prep you as much as the navy and air force do after leaving the service. I'm hoping to be an HM, OS, DC, or AC if/when I join that and their pretty high tech fields as well in the navy and also I'm more of a hands-on person then sitting in an office doing reports all day..
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Postby sakhalin » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:15 pm

cashback wrote:Navy and Air Force are the way to go. For the most part, they are the best a preparing you for a civilian job if you choose to get out.

+1 on Air Force for civilian job afterwards
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Postby JoDa » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:26 pm

As others have said, college - and grad school, if your field demands it - is worth it IF and only if you know what you want to do. Law enforcement doesn't require a degree up front unless you want to specialize (CSI-type stuff), but military experience would be of benefit in getting a PD job, and then you can always do GI Bill to get a degree if you feel it's necessary to advance on to detective or some other position you want. Military experience can also help you greatly if you want to do something at the federal level, from FPS to SS to even Park Service or CBP, or EVEN something more academic. We have a couple people with military backgrounds in my office and they did a service to themselves - got paid, got free education, and got preference when it came time to get hired as economists or business analysts. Even private-sector companies sometimes (not always, but sometimes) value a few years in the military.

If you feel like you're throwing money down the hole and don't really have direction, AND you feel like the military would provide that, it seems like as good an option as any. My dad got his BS in engineering, joined the Navy as a flight engineer, and then they paid for him to get his MS, and when he finished he had both the degrees and the experience that landed him a very good job for the rest of his life.

Personal experience: I started college in the WRONG (CAPITAL W-R-O-N-G) major and almost quit, when I stumbled into an entry-level econ course and fell in love. From that point forward, I researched what I wanted to do and made sure every class, internship, and other experience led towards that goal. I have a nifty little chunk of debt to show for it, but I actually make more than I owe now, and that wouldn't be possible without those degrees. But I wouldn't be in that situation without coming up with a goal and direction in my sophomore year. If you need time to figure yourself out, take it. A year or two off or a couple years in the military will cost you less than floating around without direction while paying today's tuition.
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