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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:58 pm

For those of you here in IT and I know there are a few you may have seen this, but may still enjoy.


For those of you who aren't aware of this, it's a funny eye opener.


When you are in IT, the old school way of putting yourself out there is posting your resume on Monster, DICE, etc. Nowadays people used LinkedIn and the like but I haven't done that.


Anyway when you do that, it gets sucked in by people based on keywords in your resume (this is probably the same regardless of the field you are in). You will then be contacted by interested parties.


In IT it gets interested from that point. Typically it's an Indian recruiter, though sometimes you get an American but they are a dying breed (they want to make a living wage, God forbid...). I'd say roughly half of the Indians use their real name, and half use a fake American name (today I was emailed by Mike Truth, that's the truth). When "Mike" called me, his accent was thicker than the smoke in the bars I hit in the 80s in the message he left.


Maybe 2-3% of them serial call you like a bill collector, sometimes as much as 12 times in one day (yes this really happened). Their jobs are always marked "URGENT" and it's typically 3000 miles from you as a short term contract where you'd have to move on your dime for a short term job. At least 40% of the time, it's not even relevant to your skill set - they may be looking for an RPG developer or network admin when you are a web developer which are completely different skillsets and would be like asking a finance guy to do a marketing position for example - not a great fit.


I just wanted to throw this out there and find out if you guys see the same thing, and to let others know the kind of wacky way it goes in this field these days. I guess it always was wacky it's just more so now than ever!


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Postby whit » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:30 am

i have the opposite experience

in jury duty one of the jurors with me was white, blonde, late to early thirties and she listed her job as an IT recruiter

today i met two ladies, graduates of UCD, one is asian the other white, again both IT recruiters.

I actually got one of their cards for my friend who is about done with school and is, ironically, of indian background. actually hails from UK though!

maybe a move would benefit if possible, the bay area, between san jose and san francisco, is a good spot for people who work in technology

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Postby MemberSince99 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:36 am

Well if it wasn't for earthquakes that drop sections of freeways onto cars crushing the occupants, and the insane cost of living, maybe a move would be beneficial. Plus that state is just WAY too friendly to illegals, not sure I want to pay for their kids to go to college when I'm still paying for myself to have gone. The weather certainly is nice though.


I will say, it doesn't really matter where you are from, if you post your resume on one of the national job boards and are in IT, I'm sure these sort will contact you.


Back in the day before I knew better, one of them contacts me on a Friday night, with an "urgent" requirement. I mean it's so urgent it's pretty much life or death. He says he needs me to completely re-write my resume to match their format so he can get that on the hiring manager's desk first thing tomorrow morning (I should have realized that the fact that would be Saturday means he's BSing me). So I spent like 3 1/2 hours back in the days before I had Word on my PC formatting my resume into a format matching what he wanted on a Friday night. Now it might take me an hour but back then I don't think I had Word. I send the guy the resume - and never hear. I call him and he dodges my calls. I email - no response. Crickets. Gee thanks for wasting my time pal you're a real sport.


I did learn a lesson though - I never dealt with them again after that, and I generally do not reformat my resume to match whatever some company wants. Most legit companies have administrative assistants these days who do that anyway.


Another interesting experience was when I was contracting at this local printing company. A manager walks up to me and says hey aren't you MemberSince99? (using my real name of course). I said yeah and he says well I just got a call from some recruiter who claims he has the exclusive right to represent you and sent me your resume. I said oh really that's news to me, but it's obviously I had nothing to do with as I'm already working here. I would have pressed for more details, but I didn't think anymore were forthcoming and he didn't offer any so that was the end of that exchange.


I simply don't deal with the Indians any more. Too many lies and games. When someone starts off contacting you and the first thing they do is lie about what their name is, I have learned it's only going to get worse. I do realize they are not ALL liars, it's just that so many have been, I'm done dealing with them. American recruiters can be bad enough.


Actually my plan for the future is to just try to skip them altogether and send my resume directly to companies I would be interested in. I've wondered why have these expensive middle men who basically contribute nothing. Most companies must have lousy HR departments who don't know what they are doing is my only guess.

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Postby jumbo » Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:44 am

I have had similar experience like MemberSince99.
I posted my resume on monster after I graduated, and I started getting calls.
Because of the nonsense phone calls and talks I decided to apply directly rather than going through recruiter.
Luckily I got the job that I wanted. But till this date I get occasional emails and calls offering me the short term contract, even though I have deleted all my resume wherever possible.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:51 pm

I think it's a pretty typical experience in our field.


I just had some recruiter contact me this morning. He had contacted me about some job 3 weeks ago, and I asked him a question, heard nothing so I figured they found another resource for the job and forgot about it. He writes me back today with an answer. I was like dude I don't even remember what the job was anymore (and I guess that shows how much I really cared about it too) but I'm not going to be looking now that the holidays are here, I want to enjoy them not interview, and in this economy it's just as well. He writes back telling me how much better the economy is now. Typical salesman full of lies and BS - I know better, dude, I interviewed, and it BLOWS I sat there for an hour of some sociopath berating what I have and haven't done even though he doesn't really know a damn thing about it, telling me how I'm not worth half what I make now even though I gave him my salary BEFORE the interview, and what a hell of a favor he'd be doing me to give me a job for half what I make right now. So don't tell me how great it is, I know better, my phone isn't ringing off the hook, and when I do get a bite, it's all about how cheap can they get you. And they'd prefer it be just slightly above what McDonald's pays, and when they tell you to sit, you'd best not look for a chair you'd best be in boot camp mode and drop to the floor like you've been shot to show your undying slavish devotion.


Sorry to go on rant mode but I'm sick of the media and idiots like this guy trying to tell me how wonderful everything is when I damn well know better.

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Postby jumbo » Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:56 pm

I bet you are good at writing essays. :cool:
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Postby MemberSince99 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:40 pm

Nah I just get on rants :)


Regardless of what someone might think of me or my rant, my experience is the truth. I wish it weren't, but it is.


Anyway that aside I most will find what happens in the industry as far as recruiting entertaining. I have read allegations that some Indian recruiters do what they do simply to get resumes then put an Indian candidate's name on it and submit them for the job and all kinds of antics like this. I have no proof to back that, but I have seen some recruiters will call employers and lie that they have the exclusive right to represent you, and that they will get your resume and then disappear and leave you wondering why and the games they play indicate it might be something other than the employer wasn't interested in you (though that happens too).


Part of the reason I have a PO Box is I will simply not list my physical address on my resume and put that on the internet. Too many wackos out there. I wouldn't feel safe doing that. Heck just the number of people from FICO and here who hate me ensures I'd be even crazier to do that! :)

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Postby nvtech » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:05 pm

My personal experience...Dice is the last place I would go to apply for a job. Had a couple of bad experiences in my early career days.
Dice is filled up with a ton of 3rd party consulting companies.

Here is my 1st Personal Experience.

Company A posts a contract position and 2 or 3 prime recruiting firms like Teksystems, Kforce or manpower posts the job details who works directly with client to fulfill the position.

The problem I found with Dice is Company X , Y and Z posts the same job with few changes and tweaks in job description. They always tend to hide the name of the client. As a job finder, I would unknowingly apply to company X and Y.
Both of these 3rd party guys would interview me seperately ...still hiding the client name.

Once I clear their interview, Company X would send my resume to Teksystems and Company Y would send my resume to Kforce just saying you have another round of interviews.

Even at this point, as a job hunter, I am still unaware that both of the prime companies posted job for same client.

Now both prime companies TekSystems and Kforce would interview me an other round and finally both will send my resume to the actual Client who has a job position.

TekSystems would represent me as their employee and Kforce would represent me as their employee for the end client.

Finally the manager at the client would receive 2 resumes with same name on it and representing 2 different companies...

and then Bammm....they would throw my resume in to the bin saying I am a fraud person.

After these type of experiences, I have never applied or posted my resume in Dice.

I have always applied directly and very selectively. Used Monster, Careerbuilder in the early days.

And currently Linkedin has been great. The hiring managers or HR's of the clients are introducing directly over the email and contacting with the job positions they have related to the technology what we are currently working.

I think it might be the trend.

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Postby MemberSince99 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 6:41 am

The biggest "secret" out there is that these recruiters are just really a waste of money. They can't do anything for you that you could do yourself. They just charge you an arm and a leg for doing it. It's like paying someone a thousand dollars to wash your car when you could take it to the car wash and spend 3 dollars and get the same results with a little effort on your part. And if you think that is an exaggeration, these recruiters when they place someone do get thousands of dollars for it, for basically a few hours worth of "work" such as having their automated system get your resume, calling you, grilling you on the phone as to why you left your last 5 positions and buttering up the client to take a look at your resume. Nothing hard at all most of them aren't even techies and don't understand much about it.
Granted they don't place many, but they only have to place one every week or two and it keeps the doors open.

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Postby jumbo » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:14 pm

The thing that has worked for me so far is: avoid agents and recruiters as much as possible, and look for the company you want to work for and apply on the company website directly. This always tend to give better results.
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