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Postby amexguy321 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:01 am

luvbullmarkets wrote:Why no mention of Audi?

They offer good "bang-for-the-buck" when compared to comparably equipped Benz and BMW's.


I personally prefer the BMW interior and iDrive, which I find to be the best Navigation/Entertainment system on the market. Audis are cool, I love the daytime LEDs. However for my preference in driving, BMW is the ultimate machine


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Postby luvbullmarkets » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:24 pm

amexguy321 wrote:I personally prefer the BMW interior and iDrive, which I find to be the best Navigation/Entertainment system on the market. Audis are cool, I love the daytime LEDs. However for my preference in driving, BMW is the ultimate machine


When iDrive first came out it was no ones preference. It was too darn complicated and drivers had to change their mindset to scroll and press rather than simply look for a button on the dash. BMW was really a trailblazer as now nearly every automobile manufacturer offers their own "iDrive like" set-up.
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Postby SClay » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:54 am

BMW all the way. Their new 3 series line interior and features are absolutely amazing. And don't get me started on their new M4 they just unveiled. I like Mercedes as well and for some weird reason I think they have a higher 'status symbol'. But that's probably just me. I haven't driven either yet, so I'm only giving my input based on aesthetics.
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Postby Sevenfeet » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:37 am

One thing no one has mentioned in this thread is the new kid on the block...Tesla. The upstart all-electric brainchild of Elon Musk is beginning to turn heads in the luxury car market since they began to outsell Mercedes and BMW last quarter in the large sedan segment, especially in certain parts of the country like the west coast.

I had an opportunity to test drive one a month ago at a Tesla event in my city. One of my friends bought one recently and decided to let Tesla hold the event at his business in town since there is no Tesla store here (yet). I brought my wife since she's an environmental sustainability PhD with a real lead foot when it comes to driving. Both of us took a crack at the Model S P85+ top performance model they had available.

I've driven a few cars in my day but I'm limited to what I can drive because of my height. Because of that, I cannot drive any Audis, only the Mercedes S class, the Lexus LS (but not really anything else), the BMW 7 series and 3 series (but not the 5!) and most Cadillacs (CTS, ATS, XTS, SRX). The Tesla was comfortable for me once I figured out the proper seating position, but not perfect (nothing is). The Tesla sales rep had me begin by driving to the nearest Interstate on-ramp which was a steep uphill grade and told me to floor it. "Ok, you're the boss".

Omigod! I had read that electric cars had all of their torque immediately but there's nothing to prepare you for that kind of immediate rush, even going uphill. No engine revving...no waiting for maximum torque in the curve...just everything you want RIGHT NOW. 0-60 in 4.2 seconds, all quiet without drama. All of a sudden there's this stupid grin on your face and you now realize what all the automotive writers are fawning over. The last car I drove with that kind of punch was the CTS-V.

Is it a perfect car? No. The interior is nice but less bespoke than some of the competition. Somebody forgot to design cupholders for the rear and the current solution is pretty laughable. But the interior has two major things going for it. First, since the electric drivetrain is sitting between the rear wheels behind the rear seat, there's no driveshaft hump. That means you get a lot of interior room back in the vehicle...I haven't seen an interior layout like this since the first 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado and 1967 Cadillac Eldorado which both had front wheel drive. Second, the massive 17" infotainment screen dominates the landscape. It's more responsive to touch input than Cadillac CUE, with all that real estate, you can easily set it up to do two major tasks at once (Radio and Nav or AC and NAV or Web Browsing(!!!) and NAV).

Best of all, the car get regular software updates from Tesla, these days about once every 3-4 months. So current owners get new features regularly. You burn no fossil fuels while driving and get around 200 miles of range from the 60 kw model and 275 from the 85 kw model. And Tesla just announced yesterday that they can claim they are the safest car on the planet...the NHTSA crash tests were published on it and not only does it have a 5 star rating but it exceeded the test data for all cars ever tested in all individual categories, and that includes larger SUVs and minivans.

If you're curious, you should try to find a store for a test drive. But be warned. I walked in not knowing what to expect and walked away with a new fantasy car (and so did my wife). If you drive one, you may be smitten too. It's hard not to with that car.
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Postby lexrj » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:20 pm

Sevenfeet wrote:One thing no one has mentioned in this thread is the new kid on the block...Tesla. The upstart all-electric brainchild of Elon Musk is beginning to turn heads in the luxury car market since they began to outsell Mercedes and BMW last quarter in the large sedan segment, especially in certain parts of the country like the west coast.

I had an opportunity to test drive one a month ago at a Tesla event in my city. One of my friends bought one recently and decided to let Tesla hold the event at his business in town since there is no Tesla store here (yet). I brought my wife since she's an environmental sustainability PhD with a real lead foot when it comes to driving. Both of us took a crack at the Model S P85+ top performance model they had available.

I've driven a few cars in my day but I'm limited to what I can drive because of my height. Because of that, I cannot drive any Audis, only the Mercedes S class, the Lexus LS (but not really anything else), the BMW 7 series and 3 series (but not the 5!) and most Cadillacs (CTS, ATS, XTS, SRX). The Tesla was comfortable for me once I figured out the proper seating position, but not perfect (nothing is). The Tesla sales rep had me begin by driving to the nearest Interstate on-ramp which was a steep uphill grade and told me to floor it. "Ok, you're the boss".

Omigod! I had read that electric cars had all of their torque immediately but there's nothing to prepare you for that kind of immediate rush, even going uphill. No engine revving...no waiting for maximum torque in the curve...just everything you want RIGHT NOW. 0-60 in 4.2 seconds, all quiet without drama. All of a sudden there's this stupid grin on your face and you now realize what all the automotive writers are fawning over. The last car I drove with that kind of punch was the CTS-V.

Is it a perfect car? No. The interior is nice but less bespoke than some of the competition. Somebody forgot to design cupholders for the rear and the current solution is pretty laughable. But the interior has two major things going for it. First, since the electric drivetrain is sitting between the rear wheels behind the rear seat, there's no driveshaft hump. That means you get a lot of interior room back in the vehicle...I haven't seen an interior layout like this since the first 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado and 1967 Cadillac Eldorado which both had front wheel drive. Second, the massive 17" infotainment screen dominates the landscape. It's more responsive to touch input than Cadillac CUE, with all that real estate, you can easily set it up to do two major tasks at once (Radio and Nav or AC and NAV or Web Browsing(!!!) and NAV).

Best of all, the car get regular software updates from Tesla, these days about once every 3-4 months. So current owners get new features regularly. You burn no fossil fuels while driving and get around 200 miles of range from the 60 kw model and 275 from the 85 kw model. And Tesla just announced yesterday that they can claim they are the safest car on the planet...the NHTSA crash tests were published on it and not only does it have a 5 star rating but it exceeded the test data for all cars ever tested in all individual categories, and that includes larger SUVs and minivans.

If you're curious, you should try to find a store for a test drive. But be warned. I walked in not knowing what to expect and walked away with a new fantasy car (and so did my wife). If you drive one, you may be smitten too. It's hard not to with that car.


Tesla was def on my list, I did't test drive but it's looks awesome! Unfortunately they don't do leases and there is a 3mo waiting if you order one. Also there aren't any service centers down here in San Diego, I don't feel like driving to LA only to get my car serviced, that was a killing point for me.
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Postby djrez4 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:39 pm

I still like my Acura. Not on the same level as MB or BMW, but offers good equipment and Honda reliability. Plus, Turbo! The exec that decided to get rid of the boost for the 2013 model year should be fired.

If I was spending the money, which I won't, I'd be looking at Porsche.

Re: Tesla - Apparently, the roof is so strong, they broke the machine trying to test the crush strength - at 4Gs!

On topic, between the two, I'd select a MB CLS550 for daily driving and an M3 CSL for railing Colorado canyons. Why not both?
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Postby FastSRT8 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:06 pm

djrez4 wrote:I still like my Acura. Not on the same level as MB or BMW, but offers good equipment and Honda reliability. Plus, Turbo! The exec that decided to get rid of the boost for the 2013 model year should be fired.

If I was spending the money, which I won't, I'd be looking at Porsche.

Re: Tesla - Apparently, the roof is so strong, they broke the machine trying to test the crush strength - at 4Gs!

On topic, between the two, I'd select a MB CLS550 for daily driving and an M3 CSL for railing Colorado canyons. Why not both?


I like all your suggestions except for the Porsche. They are too common :(
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Postby djrez4 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:35 pm

FastSRT8 wrote:I like all your suggestions except for the Porsche. They are too common :(


Jeeps aren't exactly unicorns. :ppp

AWD turbo vehicles are a weakness. There's nothing common about a 911 Turbo S. And, of course, a ski rack. Maybe a Skyline GTR is in order. Or, if we're being silly, a Ferrari FF. But, then we lose the turbo for a prancing horse and a V-12. Hmmmmmm...
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Postby Sevenfeet » Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:59 pm

lexrj wrote:Tesla was def on my list, I did't test drive but it's looks awesome! Unfortunately they don't do leases and there is a 3mo waiting if you order one. Also there aren't any service centers down here in San Diego, I don't feel like driving to LA only to get my car serviced, that was a killing point for me.


Tesla sends a service team to you if you don't have a service facility nearby.
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Postby FastSRT8 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:01 am

djrez4 wrote:Jeeps aren't exactly unicorns. :ppp

AWD turbo vehicles are a weakness. There's nothing common about a 911 Turbo S. And, of course, a ski rack. Maybe a Skyline GTR is in order. Or, if we're being silly, a Ferrari FF. But, then we lose the turbo for a prancing horse and a V-12. Hmmmmmm...


LOL!

No what I meant was for the amount of money you pay for the Porsche loaded... you should be able to get something a bit more special.
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