Are people that afraid to honk at police drivers?

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Are people that afraid to honk at police drivers?

Postby Gamma » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:03 am

Ok, so a few days ago, I was driving, minding my own business as usual. Then I stop at a red light and a cop comes next to me on the left side lane (I'm on the right side lane.) Then he begines to ask me questions on a gun shot hole that is behind my truck (no, I wasn't in any kind of shoot out.) Then, the light turns green and he continues to ask me questions about that gun shot. I was amazed at all the traffic that was behind us and how no one dared to honk at the cop as we were basically blocking the only 2 available lanes there. I guess people were afraid if someone did honk at that cop, he would basically pull you over and give you a ticket for whatever damn reason. To be fair, I'd probably wouldn't have honked too as it would probably piss off the cop. The light turned red I just still couldn't believe no one honked the whole time the light stayed green. Once it turned green again, he basically let it go and went on his way.
So has anyone here ever honked at a police officer before?

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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:42 am

You answered your own question - yes. If you aren't scared of the cops you are still living in the 50s. They arrest kids these days for having a tantrum in class. I don't know if they also torture them as terrorists for that, but it wouldn't really surprise me.

No I have never honked at a cop I do my best to NOT draw their attention. I believe you are correct had anyone honked the cop would have more likely than not pulled them over and found a reason to ticket/harass them. That's the LEAST you are going to get - you live in Texas they may handcuff and arrest you for something like that.

It's just really not wise to mess with the Gestapo. We live in a police state where we have frew remaining civil rights to be honest and the government does their best to take more of them away all the time. Personally I always knew the "war on terror" was really aimed at Americans in the long run, and I remember how the media swore up and down how torture and rendition amd gulags would NEVER be used against American citizens (I thought liars!) and then how not that long ago our wonderful "representatives" snuck language into a defense appropriations bill authorizing these laws to be applied to us, hoping we wouldn't notice. Most people didn't - I told my mom about that and she thought I was nuts. But she's the one living in a fantasy world thinking this is still the government that fought Hitler, not that it's now basically the government of Hitler.
Mind you, this is the same media who years ago when salaried people were made "exempt" from overtime pay crowed to us about what a wonderful thing this was for workers, how we would now have the ability to choose to take "comp time" and have a flexible work schedule. HA! I know exactly zero people who have gotten "comp time" for all the overtime they worked, if you ever asked about it they'd look at you like you were a slacker and nuts and make a mental note to downsize you, but if you come in an hour late from a doctor's appointment even if you worked 65 hours that week, you still "owe" them that hour. Yeah, what a great bonanza for workers that was....right.

Anyway long story short - if you wouldn't honk, you pretty much are one of the smarter bears. Why make them notice you and pull you over and jack you around? It's like flashing blood in the water near a shark, or waving a red flag at a bull, just things you are better off to not do.

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Postby beef.stu » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:27 pm

Im pretty sure it is not legal to use the horn for the purpose of getting someone to go at a green light, but most of the police in my area probably would not care if you do it...that is if they are not the ones being honked at. They would probably find a reason to pull you over.

The horn is for preventing accidents like when someone is merging into your lane but doesnt see you
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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:35 pm

I don't think it's illegal stu. I just don't think it's wise to do it to a cop. Like you said, if you do that, odds are very good they will pull you over, and at the very least chew you out, if not find a reason to give you a citation. It's just not a smart thing to do.

And for those of you who have never had the pleasure of showing up in traffic court, let me tell you - whatever the cop says happened is what the judge takes as the word of God, that cop would never lie, you are the worthless scumbag who is in court charged with a violation. Unless you want to spend a lot of money for a good attorney or are one yourself, you really are fighting something you just are not going to win.

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Postby Sevenfeet » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:02 pm

MemberSince99, you clearly don't have police officers in your family.

Honestly, from his perspective, it's a fair question. Most people don't have gun shot holes in their car and he's trying to figure out whether the driver is involved in any criminal activity. And yes, there are other reasons why a car might have a gun shot hole (hunting accident, legal firearm in vehicle discharge, etc).

My uncle is a retired police department Major for a large metro city (>1 million people). When I was a teenager, he sat me down and explained how to answer questions of a police officer if stopped. I've never forgotten it because while you could easily rail upon your perceived "police state", I could just as easily complain about being stopped driving while black (which sadly has happened to me). Every time since my first questioning when I was 17 years old, I've never forgotten his simple lessons on how to engage police, especially since I am bigger than they are. Most of these guys just want to do their jobs and get home to their families. There is a right way and a wrong way to engage that is the difference between setting their mind at ease, and asking for a closer inspection.

And to the original post, I'd say that honking at a cop to get him to move his car is a stupendously bad idea. Honk at a cop if you need to alert him to police business, not interrupting him from police business.
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Postby DoingHomework » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:11 pm

Sevenfeet wrote:Most people don't have gun shot holes in their car and he's trying to figure out whether the driver is involved in any criminal activity..

Clearly you don't drive where I do!

Sevenfeet wrote:My uncle is a retired police department Major for a large metro city (>1 million people). When I was a teenager, he sat me down and explained how to answer questions of a police officer if stopped.

With respect, I would never take the advice of a cop on how to answer questions. There are plenty of example out there from attorneys that say the absolute rule is to never, ever answer any question from a cop. Not for any reason. There is at least one US Supreme Court justice who, a couple of decades ago said something to the effect that anyone who verbally answers any police question, any time, for any reason, is an idiot. There is nothing you can say that will help you while almost anything you say can hurt you. If you committed some traffic offense or other offense then sure, pull over, hand over your license and registration, and accept your ticket. Be respectful, but don't answer any questions no matter how trivial or simple they seem to be. Don't guess how fast you were going, don't admit you ran the red light or were just driving down Main Street. He might have pulled you over to tell you your tail light is broken and you could inadvertently admit to running a red light, speeding, and being in the area of a bank robbery. Conversely, NOTHING you say can help you!

I don't have a problem with cops but I sure as heck would not answer any questions. You have the right to not answer and at the very least can demand that only grammatically correct, well formed written questions be given to you. There are plenty of people in jail because they did not do that and answered poorly worded questions from uneducated cops.

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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:31 pm

Many years ago back in the 80s I worked a retail job where they cut my hours dramatically, to the point it wasn't worth showing up for, so I quit. I think that was kind of what they wanted anyway. But since the pay was 3 dollars an hour and change, it wasn't a big loss.

Anyway, one night some detectives showed up at my door wanting to talk with me. I step outside to talk with them (there were 3 or 4 of them) and they proceeded to tell me someone phoned in a bomb threat to the mall I worked in, and they figure because I recently quit my job, it could be me.

I was like nope, I mean seriously, do you think some minimum wage job is worth a bomb threat? So then they tell me well no bomb went off, so it's not a big deal so why don't you just admit you did it? I was like if it's no big deal, why are you here questioning me about it? They didn't like that answer so started getting more aggressive with me. I said look I didn't do it, and I don't know who did, sorry, or I'd tell you. (The truth). They said why don't you come down to the station and take a lie detector test? I said why would I do that? I have nothing to gain and everything to lose as I didn't do this, but if that test says otherwise, all I've done is screw myself over something I had nothing to do with. I said if you want to arrest me and haul me down there and force me to take that test then do it now, but I want an attorney present before I answer any further questions. They really did not like that and responded how I should stop with the TV crap. I said you think our civil rights are just TV crap huh, when our parents fought and died to protect them, kinda sad if you ask me.

They went to leave, and I said if you ever get proof on me, you know where to find me. I wasn't worried, I didn't do it. Now I would never say that stuff, you egg them on, they will take you in and torture you until they get a confession, and it's your word against theirs and we all know who is going to win that one. Give them enough time they will torture you into confessing you did stuff that happened before you were born and you will swear you did it and probably pass their lie detector test that you did.

I used to respect the police, I thought most of them were good guys and there were just a few bad apples. Now I think the only difference between them and the bad guys is they carry a badge. I fear them more than the criminals.

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Postby im_mr_awesome » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:35 pm

This is fantastic and true. Don't give them cause to suspect you of anything, and there's little they can do beyond what they can prove.

I did have a situation a few weeks ago where I was pulled over for speeding. The officer (a state trooper) asked if I knew why he pulled me over, I said I was speeding. He asked if I knew how fast, and I said 67mph in a 55mph zone, as that's what my car's digital speedometer read when I saw him. I said I turned the wrong way on to an unfamiliar highway on my 3rd day to a new job; I then showed him my new work ID. He walked back to his car, ran my info, and gave me a written warning even though I was clearly in the wrong and admitted to it.

I think being prompt, polite, and efficient can go a long way.

It also helps when your significant other is the son of the head of community corrections. I could be speeding through a red light drunk and they'd wish me a good day!
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Postby FastSRT8 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:32 pm

Good tips!

No I would not honk at a cop.

For those with examples on how to answer a cop's questions without really answering it please share. This is good stuff to know. One eventually needs to answer a question but I'd like to know how to best to it in our favor.
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