Are people that afraid to honk at police drivers?

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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:29 pm

As they say when they arrest you (or are supposed to say): anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.


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Postby DoingHomework » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:45 pm

im_mr_awesome wrote:Don't give them cause to suspect you of anything, and there's little they can do beyond what they can prove.


The vast majority of people confess their offense when answering questions whether in a traffic situation or more serious crimes. It's very difficult to prove something and takes a heck of a lot of work. In many instances they will not even try unless they are fairly certain you are guilty, often because of things you said that may not be admissible. For example, if you say something incriminating before being Mirandized it might not be admissible in court but it lets them know they are on the right track.

Many people who get called in to be "interviewed" think that they can be arrested because it is suspicious that they don't answer questions. But that is SO wrong. You can only be arrested either if the cop witnesses the crime personally or if an arrest warrant is obtained. An arrest warrant requires evidence and is fairly hard to get. One way they can get one though is by catching someone lying. And that is really easy to do with poorly worded questions. It happens all the time. But if you've got written questions and written answers you provided complete with any disclaimers and clarifications, it becomes much more difficult.

We hear all the time that rich, smart people get away with things. They do. It's because they have the sense to keep their mouth shut and not answer questions!

I mean, if I get stopped for speeding, which has happened, I don't have a problem with that. The guy is just doing his job and I'm just paying a road tax. I speed sometimes or do other things I'm not supposed to just like everyone else and now and then I get caught. No big deal. But I'm not providing any more information than necessary.

And, I have not honked at a cop but I have asked one to move his vehicle when he was blocking access to someplace I needed to go. He was just sitting doing paperwork. They can do things when pursuing someone but have no right to block private property or even impede traffic. Honking might have gotten someone a ticket but it would have been dismissed in court. The cop was wrong to block a full light cycle. He would have had every right to pull over a car with bullet holes though unless they were clearly old.

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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:25 pm

Oh and officer, by the way, you MIGHT wanna check the glove box for weed, and the trunk for bodies. Just saying.

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Postby Sevenfeet » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:23 pm

MemberSince99 wrote:Many years ago back in the 80s I worked a retail job where they cut my hours dramatically, to the point it wasn't worth showing up for, so I quit. I think that was kind of what they wanted anyway. But since the pay was 3 dollars an hour and change, it wasn't a big loss.

Anyway, one night some detectives showed up at my door wanting to talk with me. I step outside to talk with them (there were 3 or 4 of them) and they proceeded to tell me someone phoned in a bomb threat to the mall I worked in, and they figure because I recently quit my job, it could be me.

I was like nope, I mean seriously, do you think some minimum wage job is worth a bomb threat? So then they tell me well no bomb went off, so it's not a big deal so why don't you just admit you did it? I was like if it's no big deal, why are you here questioning me about it? They didn't like that answer so started getting more aggressive with me. I said look I didn't do it, and I don't know who did, sorry, or I'd tell you. (The truth). They said why don't you come down to the station and take a lie detector test? I said why would I do that? I have nothing to gain and everything to lose as I didn't do this, but if that test says otherwise, all I've done is screw myself over something I had nothing to do with. I said if you want to arrest me and haul me down there and force me to take that test then do it now, but I want an attorney present before I answer any further questions. They really did not like that and responded how I should stop with the TV crap. I said you think our civil rights are just TV crap huh, when our parents fought and died to protect them, kinda sad if you ask me.

They went to leave, and I said if you ever get proof on me, you know where to find me. I wasn't worried, I didn't do it. Now I would never say that stuff, you egg them on, they will take you in and torture you until they get a confession, and it's your word against theirs and we all know who is going to win that one. Give them enough time they will torture you into confessing you did stuff that happened before you were born and you will swear you did it and probably pass their lie detector test that you did.

I used to respect the police, I thought most of them were good guys and there were just a few bad apples. Now I think the only difference between them and the bad guys is they carry a badge. I fear them more than the criminals.


Your first mistake was the smart-Alec answer, something I was instructed never to do by my uncle since that only gives the officer an excuse to press further. Im_mr_awesome is right..being prompt, polite and efficient is clearly the way to go, even in the situation you described. Being a wise-ass only makes them think they were right on their initial hunch to come interview you, even if the original question was trying to get you to subject yourself to interrogation no attorney would dare let his client submit himself towards. Cops are allowed to ask people to volunteer that stuff anyway (and some people do).

As for traffic stops, I was taught by my uncle the cop the following tips:

1. If the cop pulls behind you with lights, put your hazard lights on and look for a place to pull over. The hazard lights indicates to the officer that you've seen him and are looking for a safe place to pull over.

2. Roll down all of your windows, front and back and if night time, turn all your interior lights on. Cops want to see if anyone is hiding in the backseat that could cause trouble for them. I was told that this one act causes a cop's traffic stop anxiety to decrease considerably since they realize that you know how to act at a traffic stop.

3. Put your hands on the steering wheel and wait for him to approach the vehicle. This way the cop can see your hands and that you aren't holding or have hidden a firearm. When they ask to see license, registration, and insurance, ask if you can go for your wallet or purse and open the glove box to retrieve paperwork. Again, this tells the cop that you know how to act at a traffic stop.

4. If asked "Do you know why I pulled you over?", you can answer "was I doing something wrong?". This will get the officer to offer more specific information rather than "gee, I guess I was speeding"....unless it was clearly obvious you were speeding..no need to act dumb on that one.

5. Again, act calm, upbeat and professional. Use eye contact. Address the officer with "yes sir" or "no ma'am". Try not to make excuses for your behavior. It doesn't matter how bad a day you are having...it'll be worse if you act poorly in front of the officer,

Many officers who have stopped me over the years accept my attitude affirmatively and just want to run my plates to makes sure nothing else is amiss, then give me a warning and off I go. My first time in behavior management with the law was when I was 17 in 1982 and I was going back to my car at midnight after playing video games at an arcade with some of my friends. Detectives literally boxed my car in at the parking lot after I had entered my vehicle with my friends. I began the interaction exactly as I spelled out above. I was then asked to exit the vehicle while they called in my information (no license photos in those days and my license was a temporary one since I'd lost the license two days earlier). Again, I acted calmly, asked the officers what I could do to assist them and indicated I was going to be extremely patient. Then I got lucky...the one black cop of the four recognized me...not because I was a local high school basketball star, but because my mother had dated his brother several years ago..he had last seen me when I was 9 years old, to which he told his buddies they got the wrong guy.

Later I heard from my mother that the officers were looking for a tall black youth of high school age and several friends who were thought to have committed a series of local robberies. One of them saw me and my friends enter the arcade, so they called for backup and waited for us to exit the establishment. I was told that my language and demeanor was their first clue that they had the wrong kid, but then the one cop remembered where he'd seen my name and then the whole incident quickly ended.
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Postby bisbicos » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:13 pm

im_mr_awesome wrote:
I think being prompt, polite, and efficient can go a long way.



I couldn't agree more. I don't like cops, but it never helps any situation to get them pissed off at you.
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Postby hematino » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:36 pm

bisbicos wrote:I couldn't agree more. I don't like cops, but it never helps any situation to get them pissed off at you.


+1

I'm always late to everything and always in a rush, and have had more than my share of traffic stops. Usually for speeding. Like bisbicos said, I also have no love for cops but fully agree with treating them with the utmost respect (whether they are acting professional or like tyrannical douchebags). I try to put myself in their shoes, and I figure they are probably more likely to ticket someone eight ways till Sunday if they are acting belligerent and mouthy. I know I would be if I was a cop. Acting courteous and polite and with an even attitude usually gets me off with nothing more than a warning or at least a lesser ticket when I really had the pedal to the metal. Don't get me wrong, I've had my share of tickets and I've deserved all but one or two of them, and I accept that and paid. As opposed to others I have known who got nasty with the cops or pissed them off and ended up getting just about every ticket the cop could justify. But not being a total prick to the cop (even if the cop is being a prick) generally goes pretty far to achieve a better outcome. Being honest and frank doesn't net perfect results (nothing does), but it seems to give the best chance toward police leniency.
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Postby Snowman » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:49 am

Personally, I don't know what all the dislike for cops is. I mean their just people that are out there to do their jobs and go home to their families. In every profession, there are good apples and bad apples. I have been pulled over a couple of times by the Highway Patrol, and each time, I was polite and respectful, they did what they needed to do and asked for whatever they needed, and thankfully they decided it was best to send me off with a warning rather then a ticket. Yeah, there are douche-bag cops who give the rest of them a bad name, but the vast majority of them that I know and have talked to, want nothing more to be able to provide for their families and go home, and in some way, some how make a difference, whether it be good or bad. That has been my experience in dealing with PO's/cops, and I have the utmost respect for what they do.
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Postby FastSRT8 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:07 am

Snowman,

Print this thread off especially your post and keep it with your car insurance. Next time you get pulled over and it looks like you are gli g to get a ticket, 'accidentally' have the cop read your @ss kissing post. Maybe you will get off free!

LOL kidding


Snowman wrote:Personally, I don't know what all the dislike for cops is. I mean their just people that are out there to do their jobs and go home to their families. In every profession, there are good apples and bad apples. I have been pulled over a couple of times by the Highway Patrol, and each time, I was polite and respectful, they did what they needed to do and asked for whatever they needed, and thankfully they decided it was best to send me off with a warning rather then a ticket. Yeah, there are douche-bag cops who give the rest of them a bad name, but the vast majority of them that I know and have talked to, want nothing more to be able to provide for their families and go home, and in some way, some how make a difference, whether it be good or bad. That has been my experience in dealing with PO's/cops, and I have the utmost respect for what they do.
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Postby FastSRT8 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:10 am

Snowman,

Print off a copy of your post and keep it with your can I insurance. Next time you get pulled over make sure you 'accidentally' show your @ss kissing message to the cop. They may let you off. LOL.

kidding!

Snowman wrote:Personally, I don't know what all the dislike for cops is. I mean their just people that are out there to do their jobs and go home to their families. In every profession, there are good apples and bad apples. I have been pulled over a couple of times by the Highway Patrol, and each time, I was polite and respectful, they did what they needed to do and asked for whatever they needed, and thankfully they decided it was best to send me off with a warning rather then a ticket. Yeah, there are douche-bag cops who give the rest of them a bad name, but the vast majority of them that I know and have talked to, want nothing more to be able to provide for their families and go home, and in some way, some how make a difference, whether it be good or bad. That has been my experience in dealing with PO's/cops, and I have the utmost respect for what they do.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:10 am

FastSRT8 wrote:Snowman,

Print off a copy of your post and keep it with your can I insurance. Next time you get pulled over make sure you 'accidentally' show your @ss kissing message to the cop. They may let you off. LOL.

kidding!


That cracked me up!!!

We really shouldn't HAVE to kiss their rear ends or live in fear of them, this isn't supposed to be Nazi Germany. And years ago it wasn't.

Now I just see guys who have a "revenue quota" to meet and they don't care who they shake down to get it out of, as if this government doesn't flat out already take enough of the money I work hard for every day. And I see guys who don't seem to care who they get a confession out of so long as they get one. I read stories how they planted dope on people and set them up and things like this, and how they tortured others into confessions that get them sent to prison for things they didn't do. It's gotten to the point where if my place got robbed, I would NOT call the cops, I'd be more worried they are going to screw me around than the people who robbed me. They'd be trying to get me to confess I really did that so I could commit insurance fraud, and wasn't I on the grassy knoll, and didn't I fly planes into buildings on 9/11 and who knows what else.

Like this government I just have no use for them. The very best you can hope for is they never target you to jerk you around.



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