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AMEXPlatino86
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I really need some job advice

Postby AMEXPlatino86 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:01 pm

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Since I've been on here I've seen a lot of advice on everything so I'm hoping that you guys can help me on this.

I know that we've been in economic "recession, depression, obsession" whatever everyone wants to call it now these days. But I've been trying for the past 6 months to look for a job in my degree field. I graduated in 2007 with a Bachelors in International Business. I acquired a position in import/export and unfortunately was let go or fired after a month since there wasn't a "connection." Well unfortunately that was when everything was starting to fall apart economically and I ended up losing everything. I had to move back in with my parent and even then that was difficult. I was fortunate that someone took a chance on my in a restaurant to keep what little bills i had coming in and save money.

I decided to take a chance and move out and attempt to find a job in my field again. Here's the catch during college I worked in the main office for a year and a half to survive but wasn't able to do any internship at the time. After hitting a glass ceiling in restaurants and barely making ends meeting I'm trying to move and work in business (or even global business) but no one still wants to even take a chance on me for an entry level position. Other than the fact that there are millions of people are fighting for one position but I feel like because I didn't have that relevant experience to get in.

Guess the question is what can I do at this point? I'm caught in that middle ground where I can't get in entry level positions but too overqualified for "average" positions. I don't know where else to look, apply, or turn to in terms of finding something. A lot of jobs have turned me away and now I don't know what to do with this degree which is very good but no one wants to seem to deal with it. Thanks ahead of time for any advice and don't be afraid to ask for clarification or questions.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:20 pm

I have no knowledge of your area of expertise at all so I can't give any meaningful advice there. All I can do is offer hope in encouragement to hang in there, and ask if you are sure you have no connections who can help you, maybe a former student, co-worker, or professor in college? There must be someone you know who knows someone who can give you the chance you need. Also maybe you could start out in sales, and learn things from the ground up through another route.

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Postby AMEXPlatino86 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:40 pm

It's not so much just of my expertise. But it's some weird I'm doing a career change when I never really had a career in the first place kind of ordeal.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:43 pm

It really is the economy, not you. Hang in there. See who can help you. There must be someone you know who can hook you up.

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Postby FastSRT8 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:49 pm

OK, I'm going to try and give you some advice which may help.

First off, you need to learn how to market yourself and learn the art of the 30 second speak. The executive elevator talk.

You need to be able to pitch yourself ANYTIME, ANYPLACE in 30seconds or less.

Let's start with an example... your post. It's terribly long and you didn't really get to the point. You say a lot of words but didn't communicate to me the reader what your background is. I don't know what your experience has been thus far.

I see this everyday when I look to hire people. Too many times people rehearse a pitch.... I and many who hire can see that. When I hire, I ask for a response or example of situational experiences. I want to know how you think. How your mind works. I want to know you can communicate the ideas in your head.... right or wrong.

Get this fundamental art mastered and you will get hired. People are willing to take a chance on a great communicator.


AMEXPlatino86 wrote:

Since I've been on here I've seen a lot of advice on everything so I'm hoping that you guys can help me on this.

I know that we've been in economic "recession, depression, obsession" whatever everyone wants to call it now these days. But I've been trying for the past 6 months to look for a job in my degree field. I graduated in 2007 with a Bachelors in International Business. I acquired a position in import/export and unfortunately was let go or fired after a month since there wasn't a "connection." Well unfortunately that was when everything was starting to fall apart economically and I ended up losing everything. I had to move back in with my parent and even then that was difficult. I was fortunate that someone took a chance on my in a restaurant to keep what little bills i had coming in and save money.

I decided to take a chance and move out and attempt to find a job in my field again. Here's the catch during college I worked in the main office for a year and a half to survive but wasn't able to do any internship at the time. After hitting a glass ceiling in restaurants and barely making ends meeting I'm trying to move and work in business (or even global business) but no one still wants to even take a chance on me for an entry level position. Other than the fact that there are millions of people are fighting for one position but I feel like because I didn't have that relevant experience to get in.

Guess the question is what can I do at this point? I'm caught in that middle ground where I can't get in entry level positions but too overqualified for "average" positions. I don't know where else to look, apply, or turn to in terms of finding something. A lot of jobs have turned me away and now I don't know what to do with this degree which is very good but no one wants to seem to deal with it. Thanks ahead of time for any advice and don't be afraid to ask for clarification or questions.
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Postby AMEXPlatino86 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:09 pm

FastSRT8 wrote:OK, I'm going to try and give you some advice which may help.

First off, you need to learn how to market yourself and learn the art of the 30 second speak. The executive elevator talk.

You need to be able to pitch yourself ANYTIME, ANYPLACE in 30seconds or less.

Let's start with an example... your post. It's terribly long and you didn't really get to the point. You say a lot of words but didn't communicate to me the reader what your background is. I don't know what your experience has been thus far.

I see this everyday when I look to hire people. Too many times people rehearse a pitch.... I and many who hire can see that. When I hire, I ask for a response or example of situational experiences. I want to know how you think. How your mind works. I want to know you can communicate the ideas in your head.... right or wrong.

Get this fundamental art mastered and you will get hired. People are willing to take a chance on a great communicator.


Ok FastSRT in terms of the post is this a more brief account of the situation:

I need help with a situation. I graduated in 2007 with a B.S. specializing in International Business. Unfortunately due to unforeseen circumstances, I've only been able to acquire subpar position in the Food and Beverage industry for the past 5 years. I would like to do a career change and earn an entry level position even though I don't not have previous internships in the industry. Is there anything I can do to start off in the this field?
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Postby Robrus1 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:40 pm

You will get questions like Fast is talking about in interviews. Use specific examples of things you have done. Not what you would do, or would probably do. Being able to talk about how you've handled certain situations and what the outcome of the situation was will definitely help with interviews. Don't be afraid to go into detail, but stay on point.

As far as the job market goes I don't know what to tell you other than if you are willing to relocate you might increase your odds on finding something. Keep looking hard and don't give up or let up. I hope it gets better for you, sorry you're having such a hard time.
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Postby AMEXPlatino86 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:55 pm

Well that's where the issue is lying. I can't figure out how to turn working in a restaurant for years (not as a server or bartender) into an entry level career in global business.
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Postby jrv » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:06 pm

I was in your shoes just a few years ago so I know what your going through. The only thing I can say is Never give up & stick to routine. For example, get up as if you had a 9 - 5. Your job now is to look for a job.

Don't be afraid to look outside of the industry that you received your diploma in because you may be limiting yourself and your job prospects. I say that because I spoke to my cousin a few days ago who graduated from college with an Accounting degree. He spent months unemployed & looking for a job only to start a valet parking business with a few friends.

As Fast stated, you have to be able to pitch yourself Anytime, Anyplace.
Another thing I would strongly suggest is doing a search on "Behavioral Interview Questions". More companies are using this in addition to the standard interview questions.

I could go on but this is what helped the most when I was searching.

Good luck!
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Postby Robrus1 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:21 pm

You have a business degree. What do you want to do? If not international business, start with business. Call centers across the U.S., utility/energy companies, insurance companies, technology companies, etc. There are indeed places where you should be able to land an entry level job to get your foot in the door and then apply for internal job postings later to work your way up. Get the experience, build that resume, then try to get to where you ultimately want to be. A lot of places don't care if your degree is specific to their needs, or sometimes even related at all. Try places that make sense and places that don't make sense, get creative about it. Sell yourself!
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