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Postby FastSRT8 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:23 pm

AMEXPlatino86 wrote:Well that's where the issue is lying. I can't figure out how to turn working in a restaurant for years (not as a server or bartender) into an entry level career in global business.


OK, I don't really have much to work with as your second attempt to state what you have done (I can see you are trying but you NEED to hone this skill) really does not tell me specifically what you did in five years. BUT I hope you can see how you turned what was a monster paragraph into something more succinct.

IF I were in your shoes an had to guess what you did I would start by saying something like this....

"I have 5 years direct experience in the ultra competitive food and services industry. I have related experience in customer service dealing with day to day operational activities not only limited to ensuring a positive customer experience but also overall employee satisfaction. Within that time, I worked along side management not only promoting business development but also worked on quality improvement process. Although relatively small, the firm I represented offered a rewarding experience providing me with the opportunity to grow in many facets; in a personal and career perspective. I bring to the team guided enthusiasm backed with real world experience; a combination which will immediately impact to your organization"

There. That took me 3 mins and I know nothing about you but would make others want to
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Postby djrez4 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:26 pm

In addition to the "elevator speech," remember that it;s all about what you bring to the job, not what the job provides for you.

More on point to your question, follow these steps:

1) Scout companies you want to work for;

2) Find first- or second-degree connections to people within the company and ask for introductions;

or, if you have no connections,

2) Email people within the company (preferably people with clout) telling them of your interest in the industry and ask for some of their time over coffee (your treat);

3) Make a damn good impression on those people and cultivate relationships;

4) Learn whatever you need to learn to get up to speed with what has happened in the industry for the last five years;

5) Get your connections to feed you openings before they go public and to recommend you for those positions;

6) ????;

7) Profit.
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Postby AMEXPlatino86 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:39 pm

FastSRT8 wrote:OK, I don't really have much to work with as your second attempt to state what you have done (I can see you are trying but you NEED to hone this skill) really does not tell me specifically what you did in five years. BUT I hope you can see how you turned what was a monster paragraph into something more succinct.

IF I were in your shoes an had to guess what you did I would start by saying something like this....

"I have 5 years direct experience in the ultra competitive food and services industry. I have related experience in customer service dealing with day to day operational activities not only limited to ensuring a positive customer experience but also overall employee satisfaction. Within that time, I worked along side management not only promoting business development but also worked on quality improvement process. Although relatively small, the firm I represented offered a rewarding experience providing me with the opportunity to grow in many facets; in a personal and career perspective. I bring to the team guided enthusiasm backed with real world experience; a combination which will immediately impact to your organization"

There. That took me 3 mins and I know nothing about you but would make others want to


You are right. I have been trying to gain confidence in trying to make this crossover but haven't really found a way to express it as clear as you have. I have real world experience that is transferable across all industries allowing me to interact and connect with all sorts of clientele domestically and internationally. All my experiences have been positive enough to guide me to skill set and knowledge I have today. As well as being open to all opportunity and experience I am able to learn.

Thank all of you guys so much for the formal insight to see all of this.
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Postby AMEXPlatino86 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:50 pm

Robrus1 wrote:You have a business degree. What do you want to do? If not international business, start with business. Call centers across the U.S., utility/energy companies, insurance companies, technology companies, etc. There are indeed places where you should be able to land an entry level job to get your foot in the door and then apply for internal job postings later to work your way up. Get the experience, build that resume, then try to get to where you ultimately want to be. A lot of places don't care if your degree is specific to their needs, or sometimes even related at all. Try places that make sense and places that don't make sense, get creative about it. Sell yourself!


I've always wanted to do international/global business. I just know that accounting and import/export is not what I want to do.
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Postby djrez4 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:52 pm

FastSRT8 wrote:"I have 5 years direct experience in the ultra competitive food and services industry. I have related experience in customer service dealing with day to day operational activities not only limited to ensuring a positive customer experience but also overall employee satisfaction. Within that time, I worked along side management not only promoting business development but also worked on quality improvement process. Although relatively small, the firm I represented offered a rewarding experience providing me with the opportunity to grow in many facets; in a personal and career perspective. I bring to the team guided enthusiasm backed with real world experience; a combination which will immediately impact to your organization"


If you pulled that on me, I'd have a hard time not laughing. That paragraph would tell me that you have no skills pertinent to the position I'm offering, but that you feel comfortable trying to BS your way into it. I'd rather see demonstrated intelligence and learning ability. I wouldn't expect you to know everything you need to know on day one, but I'd expect you to pick it up quickly.

Then again, I'm not Six Sigma certified or whatever the business dogma of the day happens to be right now. I'm also immediately turned off by high concentrations of buzzwords. The phrase "value proposition" makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

I'm obviously not cut out to be an important businessman.
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Postby rockyrock » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:26 am

FastSRT8 wrote:"I have 5 years direct experience in the ultra competitive food and services industry. I have related experience in customer service dealing with day to day operational activities not only limited to ensuring a positive customer experience but also overall employee satisfaction. Within that time, I worked along side management not only promoting business development but also worked on quality improvement process. Although relatively small, the firm I represented offered a rewarding experience providing me with the opportunity to grow in many facets; in a personal and career perspective. I bring to the team guided enthusiasm backed with real world experience; a combination which will immediately impact to your organization"


Like Fast indicated above, you must be able to effectively communicate that you're dynamic and can excel in any environment. You have a general degree and general experience to go along with it. Like he pointed out, use what you got.

I worked in HR for a few years and screened/hired dozens of people. I can tell you that unless you are applying for a professional/technical position the degree rarely matters. A four-year degree simply tells me you started and finished a voluntary course of action--that you can finish what you start. The second thing I want to know is that you are successful at whatever you are currently doing. It's important for me to know that if I give you lemons you will make lemonade--or sell them in the case of retail :-)

Look for a job, any job at a company you want to work for. Once you got your foot in the door, impress the hell out of them and when something you like opens apply for a transfer. Most folks don't get the job they want the first time around; people joke about starting in the mail room but if you think about it--what better position to network from?

Good luck!
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Postby MemberSince99 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:38 am

djrez4 wrote:If you pulled that on me, I'd have a hard time not laughing. That paragraph would tell me that you have no skills pertinent to the position I'm offering, but that you feel comfortable trying to BS your way into it. I'd rather see demonstrated intelligence and learning ability. I wouldn't expect you to know everything you need to know on day one, but I'd expect you to pick it up quickly.

Then again, I'm not Six Sigma certified or whatever the business dogma of the day happens to be right now. I'm also immediately turned off by high concentrations of buzzwords. The phrase "value proposition" makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

I'm obviously not cut out to be an important businessman.


You've never heard me at my finest then. My idea of humor is stripping the buzzwords out of corporate communications (an oxymoron) and seeing what's left. The answer usually is - maybe half as much as you started with.

Me, I can say that I've proactively re-engineered my core processes on a going forward basis, while leveraging my synergies in a win-win situation. I've teamed across functional boundaries of the BUs to provide customer focus and I excel at being market driven. My goal is to provide value to both the stockholders and the organization, in a whole new paradigm.

My favorite thing to do at the end of a three hour meeting from hell when everyone is just desperate to get the hell out of there and do something worthwhile is when the meeting leader asks if anyone has further questions (hint: if you shut your mouth get you get out of hell...) shoot my hand up and ask a leading question with all seriousness such as "how can we achieve total quality without sacrificing customer focus?", and then look around the room at the dirty looks that could kill you and you KNOW they are imagining how much fun it would be to strangle you with the projector cord. In my mind they are grateful for the brilliant insight and thought provoking questions, but to anyone still sane, they are thinking thanks for wasting another 20 minutes of my life jerk!

It's like being the kid who at the end of the day Friday when the bell for the last class rings and the teacher is starting to say have a great holiday weekend shoots up his hand to remind the teacher she forgot to give the homework. Except your co-workers won't beat your tail in the parking lot out of fear of losing their jobs for workplace violence (though no doubt they will fantasize about it).

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Postby rockyrock » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:54 am

MemberSince99 wrote:
Me, I can say that I've proactively re-engineered my core processes on a going forward basis, while leveraging my synergies in a win-win situation. I've teamed across functional boundaries of the BUs to provide customer focus and I excel at being market driven. My goal is to provide value to both the stockholders and the organization, in a whole new paradigm.



Even though you didn't quantify actions or show cause and effect it shows you are creative. I wouldn't hire you based on this but it would get you a phone interview--at which point you would have to translate all that BS :-)
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Postby MemberSince99 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:02 am

Translation: I have nothing meaningful to say but I want to sound important and intelligent and hope you can't see through my BS. If you can, maybe we'll share a good laugh about it and talk about hooters and beer and bond as males and you'll hire me anyway.

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Postby MemberSince99 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:19 am

rockyrock wrote:Like Fast indicated above, you must be able to effectively communicate that you're dynamic and can excel in any environment. You have a general degree and general experience to go along with it. Like he pointed out, use what you got.

I worked in HR for a few years and screened/hired dozens of people. I can tell you that unless you are applying for a professional/technical position the degree rarely matters. A four-year degree simply tells me you started and finished a voluntary course of action--that you can finish what you start. The second thing I want to know is that you are successful at whatever you are currently doing. It's important for me to know that if I give you lemons you will make lemonade--or sell them in the case of retail :-)

Look for a job, any job at a company you want to work for. Once you got your foot in the door, impress the hell out of them and when something you like opens apply for a transfer. Most folks don't get the job they want the first time around; people joke about starting in the mail room but if you think about it--what better position to network from?

Good luck!


That whole thing about turning lemons into lemonaid, I mean come on that's kind of lame. What do you think we do all day first? I mean I'll be totally blunt here, because this is how it is - the execs go to some vendor and change everything, THEN announce to IT what they've done and oh that isn't a problem it already went live is it? Um, yes it breaks what we are already doing thanks for the heads up now we scramble to fix what you broke. (You're welcome, just doing my job that i get a handsome bonus for).

You're always worried about cost, so you go with el cheapo company because they brought in people who lie to you and snow you and you don't think the people who work for you know squat so we aren't asked if they are lying (yes they are as you find out after they make the sale and now have to produce). We could have told you that but you don't listen to morons like us, you have all the answers (though since you are so brilliant and have all the answers it shocks me when you have NO friggin clue how to fix what you broke, but that's what you pay idiots like me to do).

When I ask for a few bucks for a lemon squeezer, we don't have the money for it, though we wasted hundreds of thousands on your vendor of the week. So when I ask for a knife to peel the lemon, you say I am not "thinking outside the box" I should do like Batman and cobble something together out of stuff we have laying around to say the 5 bucks a knife would cost. I spend an hour of my time that you're paying me MUCH more than 5 bucks to do that, end up cutting myself, and then you blame me for it. But oh I made lemonaid out of lemons, but sure as hell no thanks to you. It's just your way of jerking my chain because you get off on the fact you're in power and make more in your bonus for making stupid decisions than I get all year long for fixing what you screwed up (when if you'd just talked with me we before you were the "deciderer" we could have avoided that in the first place) but it's such a joy to work for you, who wouldn't want to do that....

Christ it's enough to make you want to hang yourself in your closet.

Actually I seriously have an idea I want to patent, it will cost me 6 grand to do that it looks like (roughly) and maybe a bit more to produce it, but at least I have a direction on my (hopefully) way out of this insanity. The luantics run the asylum in corporate America and it's the same everywhere you go - the good old boys club calls the shots and loots the place and hogs the credit while making you hate life and turn to alcohol to forget you have to go back there on Monday and deal with it. I hope to have my way out only the market will tell.



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