Are Trolls people too?

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Are Trolls people too?

Postby credit_card_fonz » Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:15 pm

Just a question, do you think trolls are people too and should be given the same respect you would give another person?

This was a question put up for debate at a state convention and it reminded me of a discussion not so long ago on here - I couldn't help but wonder how that debate would have played out on here.


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Postby djrez4 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:34 am

Short answer, no.

Long answer, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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Postby Bksuper » Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:51 am

Are they human? Yes, as long as they're not a spam bot, which they're not since new posts by new members have to be approved by mod.
Do they deserve respect? Depends on what they're saying/doing, and how you define being a troll.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:24 am

I've thought a few times how much fun it would be to post something in the Amex forum like "Is Amex considered a 'prime' lender?" Then elaborate on that by adding "Well what about Capital One they don't F/R you?"

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Postby Sevenfeet » Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:08 am

Way back in 1983 when I was a freshman in college, my school had primary access to Arpanet, the predecessor to the modern Internet. And while the numbers of people online were limited to academic researchers, some military and a smallish number of people lucky enough to have access, the net in those days was mostly ftp sites for software, telnet access to remote text-based sites and Usenet (UUCP). Usenet was the early place to go for conversation around the net on a variety of topics, but even back then I noticed trolling by people who probably knew better. On private online services like Compuserve where anyone with a early home computer and a modem could get access to, it was even worse.

Back then I opined to myself that this was some kind of an "Avatar Effect", where people's online identity, often shielded by nicknames and account numbers caused people to throw civility out the window and say things to people they likely wouldn't say in polite company. Of course as more of the general populace has joined the net with the invention of the web in the 90's, the problem has gotten worse, as anyone who spends their time in forums like this will attest.

I've seen some great communities literally ruined by trolling to the point that people gave up and stopped coming. For anyone running a site like this, trolling is a real can ruin your livelyhood selling ads or selling products associated with your forum. So I have little pity for those thrown off of sites for "stirring the pot" since there is usually real money involved. Only sites that seem to thrive on trolling (mostly political sites) seem to be immune to most of this although places like that can bring out the most virulent racist and generally hateful speech out there masquerading as "non-politically correct" speech. My take is that you can usually deliver a contrary viewpoint without sounding like a 6th grader on the playground who just learned all the new swear words from the big kids.
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Postby FastSRT8 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:58 am

Trolls are a unique type of people. They are the only ones that I deem as flushable like excrement.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:22 am

I would almost make the argument this sort of behavior is not limited to online anymore.
You have people behaving like savages at sports events, even while driving, in the supermarket, there just is this lack of general decent manners that once were kind of a given.
You see this sort of thing all the time. I saw some guy on a lawnmower actually basically parked partway out on to the road to have a conversation with someone else. Mind you he's mowing the grass but made it a point to just park on the road to have his conversation.
When they are in the supermarket they drive their carts like they drive their cars - anyone in their way is gonna get hit. And when they want to have a conversation with a friend, what do they do? You guessed it - they block the entire aisle and just act like that's the most natural thing in the world to do, as if no one else might want to get through or anything like that.
Hell even going for Starbucks the other morning, I was about to turn into it, and some guy floors it and quick passes me on the left to get into it, if i had just made my turn, which I had the right to do, i'd have slammed into him, he was in such a hurry to get his cup of Joe he had to be first at all costs. I saw him in the side mirror at the last second and hit the brake or it would have been a wreck.
People are just barbarians. We have changed little if at all in thousands of years honestly.

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Postby s.jessica » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:02 pm

We had a case on here a short time ago where a member was referred to as a "Troll" and took it personally. This person seemed to think referring to him as a troll was name calling, however when someone comes on a public forum trying to cause trouble it is perfectly acceptable to refer to them as a troll. The problem is many people new to forums like this who don't take time to read and understand the rules (Of course nobody reads all that stuff) don't understand what a troll is.

A troll usually starts out by attending clown school but either flunks out or is rejected, thereby becoming a troll. I've seen trolls on other message boards ask questions like "I live in New York but can't see Russia?" or "Why are there school?" I don't get it. I'm not smart enough to figure out what the heck you are trying to ask. I understand finances are not taught in school and most parents are of little help. I know my parents always wanted to step in and do everything for me because they were afraid I wouldn't do it correctly and it would just make more work for them to have to re-do everything I did, so they wanted to do all the talking. When they decided I should open a checking account, they did all the talking then just gave me some papers to sign, what was I supposed to learn from that? As a result, we do get new members on here asking basic questions that should have been covered it 1st grade, but I do fully understand some folks have to ask how to open a checking account. It's far better to ask on here than just plain not do it because you don't know how.

On the other hand, when someone talks about this dirty picture they sent to BofA, it's perfectly clear they were recently kicked out of clown school maybe having a severe case of Coulrophobia themselves. Usually they didn't really do it, they just brag about it to try to be funny and get attention. The test of a true troll, if you are nice to them and make them feel welcome to the forum, they will soon go away because trolls feed off of annoying people. Trolls thrive in an environment where their posts are flamed.

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Postby MemberSince99 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:46 pm

I live in Wisconsin and I can't see Russia either, maybe I'm not looking in the right direction?

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Postby DavidNY » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:32 pm

no .

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