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Amazon and Chinese counterfeit items

Postby MemberSince99 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:55 pm

I'd been reading how Amazon basically allows Chinese pirates to peddle their illegally copied goods there.

Then I saw it in action for myself. I was looking at items relating to a hobby I was interested in and saw an item a lot cheaper than the norm for such things. I looked, and they obviously copied what another company did (I know as I have the item made by this company). The Chinese thieves are so lazy they even copied that company's verbiage into the description, INCLUDING the trademarked company name. I kid you not.

I contacted Amazon CS who basically gave me a bunch of happy dopey lines about how seriously Amazon takes this sort of thing and rest assured it will be dealt with. But today, days later, the item is still up for sale (items I should say).

For the first time I'm getting an uneasy feeling about Amazon and I'm starting to think about how I can shift the business I can do with them elsewhere.

That Chinese crap is likely garbage and even if it was as good as the "real thing" it is violating numerous laws and they are stealing the hard work of Americans.

In their boundless greed corporate America started this train wreck when they moved all the manufacturing over there (though I'm sure those thieves would have stolen as much as they could regardless) so for those companies who did that, if your good buddies are stealing your stuff and putting you out of business, well boo hoo hoo I'll start the pity party for you. The company in question makes its stuff right here in the USA and it is being ripped off big time by thieves in a country that basically is an enemy to ours and we will surely be at war with at some point in the future.

I notified the American company but did not hear back from them.

Maybe all I can do is just shift as much business away from Amazon as possible. I'm a drop of water in an ocean to them, but if enough of us get fed up with Amazon allowing this illegal crap, maybe we can put a dent in them yet.

I for one am disgusted. The greed in America is boundless and in the end will be our undoing. I don't consider it "virtue" and in cases like the whole China thing it's stupidity if not insanity.


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Re: Amazon and Chinese counterfeit items

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:14 pm

Curious what the hobby is, if you're willing to share. Is it the same one that led to the the PayPal card?

Have you tried using the price match programs from Citi or Discover? Every now and then, you can buy an item from a reliable supplier and end up paying the knock-off price via a CC's price match.

Did the items say they were sold by Amazon.com or a third party? I've sort of assumed it's a reliable indication of authenticity if an item says it ships from and is sold by Amazon.com, but I don't know if that's correct.
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Re: Amazon and Chinese counterfeit items

Postby lobbythis » Fri Jul 15, 2016 11:46 pm

Alibaba, Amazon, eBay and all the subsidiaries they own have been trafficking counterfeits for years with no end in sight.

If you are the rights owner, you can send notices for these marketplaces to take the sellers down, but you have to spend a lot of time doing this on your own. The marketplaces will generally not do it for you unless you are a massive corporation.

All you can do is perform your own due diligence. I have had an online business for nearly a decade and see counterfeit sellers every day. They are making millions of dollars and it is truly sad. Most people have no clue they even bought fakes until it's way too late. I have also had to stop many friends and family who almost accidentally bought counterfeit items without knowing.

Everyone just sees the cheap prices and unfortunately, no one ever thinks to question why. I look at people like Jack Ma of Alibaba as more of a drug/crime lord than an actual business man. He has admitted numerous times that he sees no problem with counterfeits. And everyone is sucking this guys' d*ck just to do business with him right now. All are guilty for supporting these scum and they're all in it together.

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Re: Amazon and Chinese counterfeit items

Postby MemberSince99 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:36 am

CarefulBuilder14 wrote:Curious what the hobby is, if you're willing to share. Is it the same one that led to the the PayPal card?

Have you tried using the price match programs from Citi or Discover? Every now and then, you can buy an item from a reliable supplier and end up paying the knock-off price via a CC's price match.

Did the items say they were sold by Amazon.com or a third party? I've sort of assumed it's a reliable indication of authenticity if an item says it ships from and is sold by Amazon.com, but I don't know if that's correct.



Nope this is a complete knock off theft item. Originates from China, sold by a third party but fulfilled by Amazon. I'm very familiar with the product as I own the genuine thing, and these thieves even put the company that makes it's name into their description twice, thus violating that trademark as well.

Ancient Chinese secret - we copy and steal everything!

This sucks but in a way our country deserves it - what did these suited idiots think was going to happen when they all rushed over there to take advantage of cheap slave labor, that their slaves would be docile little busy bees only thinking of making them richer like Americans? HA if they are that stupid they kind of DESERVE to get robbed. Hard for me to feel sorry for morons like that. But companies that kept making things in the US and make a really good product, yes that bothers me to see a company like that get screwed this way.

I don't know how many laws the Chinese are breaking by doing this, and I'm sure they don't care. In a way they are more cutthroat capitalist than the Americans - they are just a lawless bunch out for a buck anyway they can get it. But Amazon is just as guilty as they are by enabling them to do it, when Amazon has been told what's going on and does nothing about it. Luckily for Amazon they are a big $$$ corporation so they will probably be able to buy our "representatives" (HA) off. Good thing America is as corrupt as the average banana republic these days.

I hope the company getting screwed sues, but I'm not so sure they could even win a pretty clear cut case like that again our legal system is a mockery of true justice I have no faith in it. But what I can do is cut my spending on Amazon down to the bare minimum.

You are right I opened the eBay and PayPal accounts to pursue my spending on there, and then I was thinking maybe I would shift some of my spending from Amazon to there as well. But due to that snafu with the card I kind of let that idea go. I may revisit it. I don't think what Amazon is doing is right by any stretch, but I would not be too surprised if they get away with it. Our government won't do anything to a big company that breaks the law they do as they please and get away with it.

I think I'm just going to call the US the Banana Republic of America. Close enough for rock n roll. It's disgusting all around.

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Re: Amazon and Chinese counterfeit items

Postby kdm31091 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:57 am

I personally don't get the big excitement over Amazon anyway. People obsess over getting 5% on Sallie Mae or 3% on Marvel or whatever, but for almost anything I've ever wanted on that site, it was more expensive than just purchasing it elsewhere. So not sure why people go so crazy about it.

On the other end of the spectrum, if you're seeing cheap stuff on there, there's always a reason why something is unusually cheap. Like I said, I don't really shop there much because I don't see what the big advantage is.

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Re: Amazon and Chinese counterfeit items

Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:29 am

Lobbythis you are 100 percent right.

Amazon deliberately turns a blind eye to this stuff. It's almost worse than Wal-Mart because buying from Wal-Mart you know from the get go what you are buying. With these thieves they want you to think you are getting the real thing but as kdm pointed out there is a reason it's so cheap. And it's not because you are getting a he'll of a deal.

I did what I could for the one item but the only way things will change is to hit amazon in the pocketbook.

I'm not a fan of government but this is where government should step in. Sadly when you need them they are nowhere to be found. I don't care what your politics are this kind of theft is abhorrent.

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Re: Amazon and Chinese counterfeit items

Postby augiedog » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:01 pm

kdm31091 wrote:I personally don't get the big excitement over Amazon anyway. People obsess over getting 5% on Sallie Mae or 3% on Marvel or whatever, but for almost anything I've ever wanted on that site, it was more expensive than just purchasing it elsewhere. So not sure why people go so crazy about it.

On the other end of the spectrum, if you're seeing cheap stuff on there, there's always a reason why something is unusually cheap. Like I said, I don't really shop there much because I don't see what the big advantage is.


I am the same way. Not a big Amazon shopper. Every now and then there's something I get cheaper on Amazon or have a hard time finding somewhere else and Amazon is about the best way to go.

As far as knockoffs, I have received a few and have seen even more listings that are clearly bogus. More and more places are offering free shipping now so it is easy for me to curb the "Prime addiction." I only have Prime because I have my friend share it with me (and he uses it frequently), which makes me feel lucky in the few instances I need to buy a cheap item that isn't over $35.
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Re: Amazon and Chinese counterfeit items

Postby MemberSince99 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:56 pm

I just checked and I do not find the listing any longer.

Amazon obviously did deal with it.

I had decided I was going to post a review and just tell people that it's a counterfeit Chinese item. I thought let Amazon do what they will do, I can live without them I'm doing the right thing no matter what. I got to the point I don't care about offending Chinese pirates who openly violate trademark and intellectual property laws, nor do I care about offending Amazon. Tough cookies to either party if they don't like it.

No need, but I'll have to keep an eye on that, as I really don't doubt the thieves will just come right back.

Amazon seriously needs to do something about this, like holding Chinese companies to the same scrutiny American companies get, or seriously just cut them off altogether. Force any organization who wants to list on Amazon to have a US address validated so legal action can be taken against them if need be, sort of like we Americans go through all the time.

This may or may not be related to the subject at hand, but I seriously am sick of supporting an enemy country that we will one day be at war with, and maybe it's not as far away as I used to think. The most stupid thing the suits ever did was build up that enemy out of their own greed. People scoffed when the Russian leader said we will bury you and you will sell up the rope to hang you with, but he was smarter than they are (though hell my dog was smarter than they are). Just a stupid move that anyone with half a brain could see was not going to turn out well, but that's how people get conned is their greed gets the better of them. Oh well THEIR kids won't go die in the war we know that - those sort usually have "better" things to do. They talk brave and tough but you don't see many of them actually man up and go DO it. Talk is cheap boys. Everyone's a tough guy safe at home.

Anyway that was just so dumb and I saw that back then. I listened to far right wingers talk about what a boon it is, yeah maybe for their short term portfolio but long term it's a disaster for our country and our people, not that they care about that....

To me it's about more than just some pirates though that's bad enough.

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Re: Amazon and Chinese counterfeit items

Postby JackLane » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:16 am

IMO, the shoppers need to be careful while shopping and first thing to look at is, the seller. Unless its Amazon.com or Fulfilled by Amazon, do not touch the product.
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Re: Amazon and Chinese counterfeit items

Postby MemberSince99 » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:42 am

JackLane wrote:IMO, the shoppers need to be careful while shopping and first thing to look at is, the seller. Unless its Amazon.com or Fulfilled by Amazon, do not touch the product.


That's a great start but the knock off I saw was fulfilled by Amazon. So that's not 100 percent

I think all we can do is use common sense. If an item is really cheap we have to stop and think about why. Is it that the seller is a huge philanthropist and wants to give us a great deal, or if it pirated garbage created by slave labor in some Chinese sweatshop.

Odds are greater its the second reason rather than the first.



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