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"Deceptive" tobacco warnings

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:45 pm

I was in a convenience store checkout line this evening and the woman ahead of me was buying cigarettes. While another clerk went to get them out of the locked case, the woman was complaining to the cashier. Consolidated, her complaint was:

"Yes, I know the packaging says cigarettes can give you cancer, but it doesn't say which kinds of cancer you can get. That's deceptive advertising! The package should specify which kinds of cancer you can get from smoking."

The cashier, and other customers, weren't interested in listening to her. She sounded like she didn't mind certain cancers, but wanted to avoid others.

I'm sure she had some awful addiction, and I probably wouldn't have found her message so silly coming from a less hypocritical public health advocate. At the time, though, it just seemed completely ridiculous.
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Re: "Deceptive" tobacco warnings

Postby Tubpbs » Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:19 am

I don't think they should have to put any warning on the cigarettes. If you're too stupid to inform yourself about something like that, too bad for you. It's not like there aren't constant attempts from the media to plaster about how bad for you cigarettes are.

They're not even allowed to advertise anymore. 15-20 years ago there were cigarette billboards and ads every ten feet.

While I don't really feel this way, part of me wants them to just get it over with and make it 100% illegal to smoke and to *think* about smoking or even think about wanting to smoke. That's where we're headed with all things "bad" anyway.
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Re: "Deceptive" tobacco warnings

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:45 am

Tubpbs wrote:I don't think they should have to put any warning on the cigarettes. If you're too stupid to inform yourself about something like that, too bad for you. It's not like there aren't constant attempts from the media to plaster about how bad for you cigarettes are.

They're not even allowed to advertise anymore. 15-20 years ago there were cigarette billboards and ads every ten feet.

While I don't really feel this way, part of me wants them to just get it over with and make it 100% illegal to smoke and to *think* about smoking or even think about wanting to smoke. That's where we're headed with all things "bad" anyway.

I do think warning labels are necessary, and that restricting advertisements is reasonable. I'm libertarian in some ways, but as soon as a matter involves environmental health (like air quality suffering from second-hand smoke, or any form of pollution) I can be very pro-regulation (which doesn't mean all forms of regulation work).

I was more thinking that she had her priorities mixed up...that she should stop smoking, rather than complain that the warning was inadequate.
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Re: "Deceptive" tobacco warnings

Postby takeshi » Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:58 am

Tubpbs wrote:I don't think they should have to put any warning on the cigarettes. If you're too stupid to inform yourself about something like that, too bad for you. It's not like there aren't constant attempts from the media to plaster about how bad for you cigarettes are.

The problem is that health issues even for a given individual become everyone's issues one way or another. We we end up paying for government services and/or we pay via our insurance premiums. While I agree with the sentiment, the reality isn't quite so straightforward.

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Re: "Deceptive" tobacco warnings

Postby Tubpbs » Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:22 pm

takeshi wrote:
Tubpbs wrote:I don't think they should have to put any warning on the cigarettes. If you're too stupid to inform yourself about something like that, too bad for you. It's not like there aren't constant attempts from the media to plaster about how bad for you cigarettes are.

The problem is that health issues even for a given individual become everyone's issues one way or another. We we end up paying for government services and/or we pay via our insurance premiums. While I agree with the sentiment, the reality isn't quite so straightforward.


I agree 100% with your response and CarefulBuilder's... But, unfortunately for the rest of us, smokers are paying a tax to smoke on the rest of us and get us all sick. It's obviously not enough. And, my guess is, that's how they will eventually stop the sale of cigarettes. They will make the tax so high that it won't be worth it for anyone to smoke. Similar suggestions have been made for bullet sales. Add a tax of $200 a bullet...very few will buy them.

It's a lose lose unfortunately, but the smokers pay a tax to smoke on us. Just like the heavily polluting companies pay a tax to pollute their area...legally pollute their area.
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Re: "Deceptive" tobacco warnings

Postby yfan » Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:00 pm

Tubpbs wrote:I don't think they should have to put any warning on the cigarettes. If you're too stupid to inform yourself about something like that, too bad for you. It's not like there aren't constant attempts from the media to plaster about how bad for you cigarettes are.

Following this line of logic, there is no reason to control the sale of any substance, including hard drugs and prescription medications. "If you don't inform yourself about what you should or shouldn't take without medical advice, that's on you", one could say. What's more, it could be applied to children. "If their parents don't inform themselves and control their kids accordingly, too bad for the kids."

There is a balance between the government being too intrusive of the public's privacy and it being too negligent of the public safety. Food, substance and consumer product labeling is one way to strike that balance. Just like one could say it's your responsibility to figure out how much you will end up paying in interest if you only make the minimum payments on your credit cards, having that information on the statement can still help consumers. One could say it's your problem if you lose your credit card (let's take a case where it's your fault for losing it rather than someone skimming a machine) and then someone finds it and racks up charges, but having this protected against by law (and further protected by card network agreements) does work out in our favor.

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Re: "Deceptive" tobacco warnings

Postby Tubpbs » Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:12 pm

yfan wrote:
Tubpbs wrote:I don't think they should have to put any warning on the cigarettes. If you're too stupid to inform yourself about something like that, too bad for you. It's not like there aren't constant attempts from the media to plaster about how bad for you cigarettes are.

Following this line of logic, there is no reason to control the sale of any substance, including hard drugs and prescription medications. "If you don't inform yourself about what you should or shouldn't take without medical advice, that's on you", one could say. What's more, it could be applied to children. "If their parents don't inform themselves and control their kids accordingly, too bad for the kids."

There is a balance between the government being too intrusive of the public's privacy and it being too negligent of the public safety. Food, substance and consumer product labeling is one way to strike that balance. Just like one could say it's your responsibility to figure out how much you will end up paying in interest if you only make the minimum payments on your credit cards, having that information on the statement can still help consumers. One could say it's your problem if you lose your credit card (let's take a case where it's your fault for losing it rather than someone skimming a machine) and then someone finds it and racks up charges, but having this protected against by law (and further protected by card network agreements) does work out in our favor.


I would have no problem with no drug regulation. And I do think it's too bad for some children if their parents are useless. Those people shouldn't have had children in the first place. Survival of the fittest. While its extreme, if America relied on that concept even a little bit anymore, the country wouldn't be full of complaining idiots that want everything for free and want to be taken care of for the rest of their lives just because they're American.
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Re: "Deceptive" tobacco warnings

Postby yfan » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:10 pm

Tubpbs wrote:I would have no problem with no drug regulation.

And with no credit product regulations?

And I do think it's too bad for some children if their parents are useless. Those people shouldn't have had children in the first place.

I guess I am not sure why "these people shouldn't have had children in the first place" is suddenly the children's fault and why the children should suffer the consequences of an action they had no part in. Not to mention this isn't just about unfit parents. Your kid could be getting drugs dealt in the best private schools, and as a parent, one would think you would want that to stop, at least without your knowledge.

Survival of the fittest. While its extreme, if America relied on that concept even a little bit anymore, the country wouldn't be full of complaining idiots that want everything for free and want to be taken care of for the rest of their lives just because they're American.

That's a little funny coming in a credit board where "free money" from credit cards is often the center of discussion. Not that I want to get all political over this, but as one American, I'm happy we're not choosing that extreme path you described. 'Every man for himself' is a governing philosophy of course, as is zero effective government regulation, and it is often practiced in countries such as... Somalia.

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Re: "Deceptive" tobacco warnings

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Sat Jun 04, 2016 6:14 pm

Equally ridiculous : Fitbit-wearing chain smokers.
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Re: "Deceptive" tobacco warnings

Postby MemberSince99 » Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:38 pm

takeshi wrote:
Tubpbs wrote:I don't think they should have to put any warning on the cigarettes. If you're too stupid to inform yourself about something like that, too bad for you. It's not like there aren't constant attempts from the media to plaster about how bad for you cigarettes are.

The problem is that health issues even for a given individual become everyone's issues one way or another. We we end up paying for government services and/or we pay via our insurance premiums. While I agree with the sentiment, the reality isn't quite so straightforward.


True but what we pay can be based on our income and credit profile as we know. And those are fairly straightforward, debatably.



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