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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 11:55 am

It must be pretty harsh for New Jerseyans to see their sitting Governor become Trump's lap dog.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Tubpbs » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:09 pm

I think the Trump appeal is that if you're sick of listening to the absurd lies of both parties, you think there is some chance you'll get some truth from Trump. These other people historically and spilling over with disgusting lies. It's all they do. They only behave in the interest of themselves and the people who buy them. Neither side is for the American people or for what's right. It's sickening. That's what I think appeals about Trump (and Sanders for that matter). They both come with major issues and baggage but if you want some truth instead of dog shit, I can see how people can hold out some hope with those two.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Tubpbs » Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:10 pm

CarefulBuilder14 wrote:It must be pretty harsh for New Jerseyans to see their sitting Governor become Trump's lap dog.


I think this is pretty weird in general. I assume he's shooting for the VP slot, but it's still weird behavior to say the least.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 1:47 pm

Tubpbs wrote:I think the Trump appeal is that if you're sick of listening to the absurd lies of both parties, you think there is some chance you'll get some truth from Trump. These other people historically and spilling over with disgusting lies. It's all they do. They only behave in the interest of themselves and the people who buy them. Neither side is for the American people or for what's right. It's sickening. That's what I think appeals about Trump (and Sanders for that matter). They both come with major issues and baggage but if you want some truth instead of dog shit, I can see how people can hold out some hope with those two.

I think Sanders is pretty truthful.

I used to think Trump might tell the truth. Then I started actually listening to what he said.

For every bit of truth, there's a whole lot of fearmongering and pandering to idiots and bigots.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Nixon » Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:31 pm

CarefulBuilder14 wrote:
Tubpbs wrote:I think the Trump appeal is that if you're sick of listening to the absurd lies of both parties, you think there is some chance you'll get some truth from Trump. These other people historically and spilling over with disgusting lies. It's all they do. They only behave in the interest of themselves and the people who buy them. Neither side is for the American people or for what's right. It's sickening. That's what I think appeals about Trump (and Sanders for that matter). They both come with major issues and baggage but if you want some truth instead of dog shit, I can see how people can hold out some hope with those two.

I think Sanders is pretty truthful.

I used to think Trump might tell the truth. Then I started actually listening to what he said.

For every bit of truth, there's a whole lot of fearmongering and pandering to idiots and bigots.



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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Vattené » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:25 pm

Whether you love or hate Sanders, I think he's been the most truthful and authentic candidate of the whole batch. You can be opposed to his ideas and/or unconvinced that his progressive proposals will actually be paid for by the tax hikes he suggests, but at least he has a plan and hasn't changed his positions when it would be politically beneficial. I think if he were elected president (which looks like a long shot), there's no chance in hell most of his proposals would ever get passed. But that applies to anyone's plans for reforming the tax code, too.

I don't believe Trump for a second. I think he just sees that far right conservatives have been whipped up into an angry lather over the last several years and is good at playing to that (and he's not afraid of saying outlandish things in part because he know he'll get endless media coverage for it). If he was as concerned about offshoring as he portrays to voters, he wouldn't slap his name on any foreign-produced goods willing to carry it. That includes China, which he loves to tout as a huge threat.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Nixon » Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:54 pm

Angry lather? That's putting it lightly. People are fed up with BHO and Co. obvious pandering to a "victim" class.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Tubpbs » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:21 pm

CarefulBuilder14 wrote:
Tubpbs wrote:I think the Trump appeal is that if you're sick of listening to the absurd lies of both parties, you think there is some chance you'll get some truth from Trump. These other people historically and spilling over with disgusting lies. It's all they do. They only behave in the interest of themselves and the people who buy them. Neither side is for the American people or for what's right. It's sickening. That's what I think appeals about Trump (and Sanders for that matter). They both come with major issues and baggage but if you want some truth instead of dog shit, I can see how people can hold out some hope with those two.

I think Sanders is pretty truthful.

I used to think Trump might tell the truth. Then I started actually listening to what he said.

For every bit of truth, there's a whole lot of fearmongering and pandering to idiots and bigots.


Not that I'm excusing it, but I think the pandering is unfortunately a simple necessity for him. He knows what he needs to say to get attention and the right kind of attention. That's all he's doing. Is it ok? Not really, but he's not the moron voting for himself for the stupid shit he says. He has to cater to the voters of this nation and unfortunately for some of us, those people are very easily seduced, misled and ultimately duped.

Anyway, my point was, I agree that when you listen to his shit, he has issues with some of what he's saying, but I think a lot of the nonsense he's spouting would go away if he were elected...
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:51 pm

I really have to wonder if the Republican establishment will try to replace Trump at the Convention, or back a rival candidate as an independent.

Either case means Trump running. It seems like the Republican establishment just has to accept him, and Mitt Romney isn't helping them on that front.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Tubpbs » Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:02 pm

CarefulBuilder14 wrote:I really have to wonder if the Republican establishment will try to replace Trump at the Convention, or back a rival candidate as an independent.

Either case means Trump running. It seems like the Republican establishment just has to accept him, and Mitt Romney isn't helping them on that front.



I would agree. He's running either way. They lose if they don't back him. Putting in another candidate will likely result in a split vote and a loss.
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