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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Nixon » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:28 pm

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CarefulBuilder14 wrote:I'm on a long road trip, and I have to say that it's really driving home how outdated the Senate and electoral college are. There are so many states that are nearly empty yet wield immense per-capita power.

You can't deny someone the vote because of their race, sex, or wealth. But it's still okay to reduce the value of their vote by 95% based on where they live.


Because giving the blue states even more power is a good idea. You will see a civil war if that happens.

I think we'd see a government that more accurately reflects the will of the people.


The will of the people in blue states: Exchange freedom for freebies.

Liken the US to the Titanic and imagine that Tax and spend dominance since the 1960's has already sunk 4 compartments, Another liberal/blue "dynasty" will spell the end as an iceberg did once.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:29 pm

I lack access to a desktop computer at present, and cannot immediately put together a chart, but last I checked it was mostly the blue-leaning states that were the ones that pay in more than they take from the federal government.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Nixon » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:40 pm

CarefulBuilder14 wrote:I lack access to a desktop computer at present, and cannot immediately put together a chart, but last I checked it was mostly the blue-leaning states that were the ones that pay in more than they take from the federal government.

Pretty positive California isn't on that list.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:52 pm

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CarefulBuilder14 wrote:I lack access to a desktop computer at present, and cannot immediately put together a chart, but last I checked it was mostly the blue-leaning states that were the ones that pay in more than they take from the federal government.

Pretty positive California isn't on that list.

Metrics vary, but CA is a donor state.

http://www.politifact.com/california/ar ... t-gets-dc/

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-l ... ment/2700/
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:24 pm

Place your bets on the first "lawyer hat trick" we'll see:

A. Following AG Sessions and possibly Deputy AG Rosenstein, Associate AG Brand will recuse herself from the Russia investigation.

B. After firing Comey, Trump will fire Mueller...and then fire (or try to fire) the lawyer who investigates Mueller's firing. (My pick)

C. Ryan, the attorney for Trump's attorney Cohen, will himself need an attorney.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Nixon » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:19 am

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CarefulBuilder14 wrote:I lack access to a desktop computer at present, and cannot immediately put together a chart, but last I checked it was mostly the blue-leaning states that were the ones that pay in more than they take from the federal government.

Pretty positive California isn't on that list.

Metrics vary, but CA is a donor state.

http://www.politifact.com/california/ar ... t-gets-dc/

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-l ... ment/2700/


If that's true then then wouldn't be crapping their pants over federal funds in jeopardy over their decision to back sanctuary cities.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:57 pm

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If that's true then then wouldn't be crapping their pants over federal funds in jeopardy over their decision to back sanctuary cities.

Well, if we can't agree on approximate federal budget figures... :(

But it's not clear to me that the sanctuary/funding dispute is really about money. I think political posturing, or just making the other side look bad, or establishing/preventing precedents for denying funding for other things in the future are more likely explanations.

As I understand it, the question is whether sanctuary cities will receive their share of a federal funding grant from the justice department. As I understand it, the amount of the grant was $256 million in 2015, and has not grown appreciably.

$256 million. To be spread across 50 states...across 325 million people. That's 79 cents per person. For context, that's less than one ten-thousandth of total per-capita federal spending in CA. If federal spending in CA was cut that much for some less controversial reason, it wouldn't generate discussion.

I don't think it will go anywhere, but it could be interesting if it does. Trump says he wants to cut off funding from CA, NYC, Chicago, and other cities. If people in those affluent places responded by not paying federal taxes, it would be interesting.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 100752356/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_t ... g_by_state
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Nixon » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:24 am

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If that's true then then wouldn't be crapping their pants over federal funds in jeopardy over their decision to back sanctuary cities.

Well, if we can't agree on approximate federal budget figures... :(

But it's not clear to me that the sanctuary/funding dispute is really about money. I think political posturing, or just making the other side look bad, or establishing/preventing precedents for denying funding for other things in the future are more likely explanations.

As I understand it, the question is whether sanctuary cities will receive their share of a federal funding grant from the justice department. As I understand it, the amount of the grant was $256 million in 2015, and has not grown appreciably.

$256 million. To be spread across 50 states...across 325 million people. That's 79 cents per person. For context, that's less than one ten-thousandth of total per-capita federal spending in CA. If federal spending in CA was cut that much for some less controversial reason, it wouldn't generate discussion.

I don't think it will go anywhere, but it could be interesting if it does. Trump says he wants to cut off funding from CA, NYC, Chicago, and other cities. If people in those affluent places responded by not paying federal taxes, it would be interesting.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 100752356/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_t ... g_by_state

Indeed that would be interesting.

Toss all the lib nutjobs in the clink for 5-10 for not paying fed tax and perhaps we could fix California inside one or two generations!
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:31 pm

I've been thinking this over for a bit...and in all honesty, I'm happy that Trump won. I'm happy that the non-moderate Republicans are in power.

Why? A well-off relative is in failing health (after a long and good life). I don't know exactly what to expect from the tax reform bill Paul Ryan is working on, but those in power will be working in the direction of reducing or eliminating the estate tax. Maybe they won't actually get anywhere, but they won't be working in the direction of increasing it, as Democrats might have done had they swept the Presidency, House, and Senate.

I still think Trump and the far-right Republican Congress are worse than the Democrats for the country overall. I still have the same opinions I did earlier in this thread. I'm not sure I could stomach actually voting for Trump if he runs for re-election, or for non-moderate Republicans.

But purely out of self/family-interest, am I happy they won? Yes, I have to admit.

Has anyone else changed sides, or come close to doing so? Do people feel they are getting what they voted for (or against)? Do any Republicans feel betrayed over broken promises? Do any Democrats feel a little relieved?
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Nixon » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:24 pm

I voted to stagnate government for at least the next four years. I knew that was exactly what would happen with a Trump presidency.

Let's be honest here, BO only did as much damage as he did because the checks and balances knew he'd go for a certain card if he didn't get his way: this was evident any time he was challenged. An HRC presidency would have gone much the same with her at the ready to play an equally charged card.

Ironically, Trump has NO trump cards he can pull out on these increasingly frequent occasions.
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