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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:14 pm

Regarding the housing discrimination case, the whole "I settled the lawsuit without admitting guilt" line I think hurt him. It's not like I'd vote for him anyway, but it made me (and I'm assuming some others) think of the powerful (like banking executives) dodging justice. It does send the (very true) message that a lot of federal cases against corporations fail, but it also made him look like part of the problem, rather than someone who can bring a solution.

He didn't really say that he didn't discriminate, just that he found a not-too-bad legal outcome.

I suspect the "I didn't pay any taxes because I'm smart" line gave him all the charm and grace of Leona Helmsley in the eyes of average people. That's a line for getting people to enroll in real estate classes at Trump "University", not something you say to voters.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Nixon » Tue Sep 27, 2016 6:06 am

What Hillary forgets is that those were certainly different times even IF the crap she's shoveling had any merit.

Next debate someone needs to ask her if she's ever dated outside her race (since she's **sooooo** "open minded") and see where the chips really fall.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Vattené » Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:39 am

CarefulBuilder14 wrote:Regarding the housing discrimination case, the whole "I settled the lawsuit without admitting guilt" line I think hurt him. It's not like I'd vote for him anyway, but it made me (and I'm assuming some others) think of the powerful (like banking executives) dodging justice. It does send the (very true) message that a lot of federal cases against corporations fail, but it also made him look like part of the problem, rather than someone who can bring a solution.

He didn't really say that he didn't discriminate, just that he found a not-too-bad legal outcome.

I suspect the "I didn't pay any taxes because I'm smart" line gave him all the charm and grace of Leona Helmsley in the eyes of average people. That's a line for getting people to enroll in real estate classes at Trump "University", not something you say to voters.

It reminded me of the legalistic talk Clinton has used when asked directly about her emails. If you didn't discriminate you'd plainly say you didn't discriminate, not that you didn't admit you were guilty. Not admitting guilt is pretty common in settlements. Does he think the average person believes that if you're not found guilty in a lawsuit then you really must be innocent?

He also responded to "you were sued for discrimination" with "yeah, well, a lot of people were." Um, what? I honestly have no idea what point he was trying to make with that. Was he saying these discrimination lawsuits were frivolous and just thrown at anyone? Why not say this if that's what he was insinuating? He's no stranger to baseless accusations.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 11:01 pm

A limited amount of Trump's tax information is now available...not that he was the one who released it.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Nixon » Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:45 am

CarefulBuilder14 wrote:A limited amount of Trump's tax information is now available...not that he was the one who released it.

Tax info or lives lost.....gee....
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Sat Oct 08, 2016 12:00 pm

All those things I said when I didn't know the microphone was on, and which seem perfectly consistent with all the other things I say, don't reflect who I am.

*But, really, why are some conservative figures acting like they only just discovered how sleazy he his? Nothing about this is news. I think it's just an excuse for them to abandon a sinking ship.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Vattené » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:43 pm

I think they know he's going to lose and are just trying to save face. There's nothing a conservative politician loves more than pretending they have values. Disavowing him now can make them look like they have principles. If the same tape was leaked shortly after he got the nomination I really don't think there would be this much outcry from Republicans.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:56 pm

Trump had a few good quips in the last debate, and I think he may have boosted his base's turnout a bit, but I don't think he grew his support base.

Vattené wrote:I think they know he's going to lose and are just trying to save face. There's nothing a conservative politician loves more than pretending they have values. Disavowing him now can make them look like they have principles. If the same tape was leaked shortly after he got the nomination I really don't think there would be this much outcry from Republicans.

They can try to make it a double-win. They keep their Congressional seats, and "stand by their principles" rather than admit to political defeat.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Nixon » Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:09 am

Typical career politicians who want to have it both ways.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:19 pm

It is kind of funny/sad how the Bush family keeps finding new ways to alienate people from the Republican party.
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