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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby whit » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:21 pm

Whatamuji wrote:I guess what I meant earlier was that I would rather not have a businessman sitting in the White House over someone who is familiar with law and politics. Of course ultimately it doesn't matter that much since the corporations behind lobbyists run everything. I voted to re-elect Obama as did a lot of people in Harris County (which is a shocker to me as this county is mostly red minus the Houston City Limits). I did at the time felt like he was a good choice but now I'm somewhat indifferent about him and also this 2016 election seeing as there's 20 people running and I don't know most of em.


Business folks know law and politics they just try to run over it regardless if it's in the way of their profit margins and of course if it's cheaper to line pockets or strategically maneuver things so they get the law changed, or prohibit restrictions to take place, why not

Again it has to do with image more than anything. If the average American folk perceive you as approachable, and like you, they will vote for you. Like Nixon pointed it's more emotional than factual. And people don't have the time to do the research even if they're inclined to do so

For the reelected Nixon, I'm surprised as well but then again a lot of folks did vote for him more as a token than someone who can get the job done first time around imho.


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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:19 pm

I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012. My expectations for him were never so high that I feel betrayed.

As for 2016, my hopes are on Lincoln Chafee. I think there is a 0% chance that I would vote for a Republican for President.

During primary debates, it is natural for candidates to cater to their base. When I listen to one Democrat debate another, I hear them say things that are idealistic, but unrealistic or impractical. It's politics.

When I hear one Republican debate another, though, it all sounds like:
A. Taking away my exchange-based healthcare
B. Tax breaks for the rich
C. Downright bat**** craziness on other matters

I'll take "ineffective" over "against my interests / crazy". Plus, a lot of that ineffectiveness is due to Republicans - so it's hardly a reason to vote GOP.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Nixon » Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:29 pm

Democrats? Ineffective? Why they're responsible for more garbage legislation than any one else. I think they're doing JUST fine on that front.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:14 pm

Nixon wrote:Democrats? Ineffective? Why they're responsible for more garbage legislation than any one else. I think they're doing JUST fine on that front.

What is it that you consider "garbage legislation" as far as passed (or proposed) laws?

I think I support moderately stricter gun control than you do, but other than that I'm not too sure of how our political views differ.

(And there are many proposed laws I'm not familiar with. I'm not a political expert.)
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby Nixon » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:00 am

CarefulBuilder14 wrote:
Nixon wrote:Democrats? Ineffective? Why they're responsible for more garbage legislation than any one else. I think they're doing JUST fine on that front.

What is it that you consider "garbage legislation" as far as passed (or proposed) laws?

I think I support moderately stricter gun control than you do, but other than that I'm not too sure of how our political views differ.

(And there are many proposed laws I'm not familiar with. I'm not a political expert.)


Gun control for the most part has thus far proven ineffective.

Criminals do NOT follow laws. Much less gun laws.
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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby MemberSince99 » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:21 am

Guys, to be honest, it REALLY doesn't matter who you vote for - they are ALL in the deep pockets of the eiltes and corporate America. And those pockets do not give money to these crooks out of the goodness of their hearts - it's done for return on investment, which they get back.

You can vote for a Democrat or you can vote for a Republican, but if you are a middle class working stiff American, they are both going to shaft you. The Democrats want to give endless welfare to the lazy poor and the Republicans want to give endless welfare to the "rugged individualist job creators" and corporate America. The bottom line is they both want to take your money and give it to someone else, it's only the party they want to give it to that's any different.

You get the Republicans in and they promise lots of job creation if we give huge tax breaks to corporate America and the rich. They push the tax breaks, but the jobs never show up, except maybe in India, China or Vietnam, but in all fairness they never said WHERE those jobs would be created. You get the Democrats in and they promise "free" healthcare for all but there is no such thing as "free" SOMEONE has to pay for it, and they promise "shovel ready jobs" but the only thing they seem to shovel isn't jobs. The very premises they use for their philosophy is totally wrong and stupid - tax cuts don't create jobs, DEMAND creates jobs. And there is no FREE - the money has to come from somewhere and it doesn't grow on trees. They rely on the people being stupid and brainwashed to pull this nonsense over on us, or worse comes to worse, too cowed from the fact we now live in a police state.

This system is so corrupt, there is no fixing it. The people who benefit from it do not want it changed. And they have the power and money to keep it this way.

So you go vote and tell yourself you're making a difference but in the end you really aren't. The two party system is just a joke and really a one party system to serve the people who really run this country behind the scenes, which they bought and paid for. The ONLY way things are ever going to change is if we grow a pair and MAKE it change. And even then, human nature being what it is, you have to wonder if it will be "meet the new boss - same as the old boss".

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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby whit » Sat Jul 04, 2015 4:34 pm

MemberSince99 wrote:Guys, to be honest, it REALLY doesn't matter who you vote for - they are ALL in the deep pockets of the eiltes and corporate America. And those pockets do not give money to these crooks out of the goodness of their hearts - it's done for return on investment, which they get back.

You can vote for a Democrat or you can vote for a Republican, but if you are a middle class working stiff American, they are both going to shaft you. The Democrats want to give endless welfare to the lazy poor and the Republicans want to give endless welfare to the "rugged individualist job creators" and corporate America. The bottom line is they both want to take your money and give it to someone else, it's only the party they want to give it to that's any different.

You get the Republicans in and they promise lots of job creation if we give huge tax breaks to corporate America and the rich. They push the tax breaks, but the jobs never show up, except maybe in India, China or Vietnam, but in all fairness they never said WHERE those jobs would be created. You get the Democrats in and they promise "free" healthcare for all but there is no such thing as "free" SOMEONE has to pay for it, and they promise "shovel ready jobs" but the only thing they seem to shovel isn't jobs. The very premises they use for their philosophy is totally wrong and stupid - tax cuts don't create jobs, DEMAND creates jobs. And there is no FREE - the money has to come from somewhere and it doesn't grow on trees. They rely on the people being stupid and brainwashed to pull this nonsense over on us, or worse comes to worse, too cowed from the fact we now live in a police state.

This system is so corrupt, there is no fixing it. The people who benefit from it do not want it changed. And they have the power and money to keep it this way.

So you go vote and tell yourself you're making a difference but in the end you really aren't. The two party system is just a joke and really a one party system to serve the people who really run this country behind the scenes, which they bought and paid for. The ONLY way things are ever going to change is if we grow a pair and MAKE it change. And even then, human nature being what it is, you have to wonder if it will be "meet the new boss - same as the old boss".


This is probably only where I completely disagree

If you don't have the imagination, if you don't have the thought or belief it won't happen. Why else do they try and squash imagination and hope-- keep everyone busy trying to put food on the table and head above the water?

Thing is, I'm a lot of talk, but at end of the day I recognize I'm too selfish to make a true stance as anyone has in the past, who've put a dent to the system but died young. Same reason I would never sign up to take arms overseas. Cowardliness, selfishness, indifference, whatever you want to call it.

No one really pushes at the system because there's a fear of being beaten by the system but who creates the system? Certainly not any one folk. But certainly human tendencies, manipulation and accidental happenings.

But that doesn't mean there won't be an uproar soon, in some format, because no one has or rather maintain, control forever..and when the masses have nothing to lose, because they're beaten down that far..well..

Which is why it's in the best interest for those who are at the very top, because that pool is small, to keep the mass appeased; but they do so barely.

If you have someone who can ideally, tax the rich hilariously and than offer in the next breathe major tax cuts as incentives for pouring back help into society, that would be a step towards swinging ourselves back from chaos and war.

Like, taking a huge company such as Google, and letting them have tax breaks or, being more efficient with their buildings built (red tape and all) in exchange for building a center that will be free for the underprivileged to learn skills such as coding or analytical capabilities so that you're not giving away the fish but teaching them to catch their own meal.

In addition to the benefits of not being taxed as heavily, to better suit their bottom line, they're essentially building goodwill and pr with the community and ensuring they have a good pool to draw from in the future, for the next generation of workers.

Believe me, I'm probably the most cynic and some would say conspiracy filled person but I think you beat me by a yard member.

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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby InCreditWeTrust » Sat Jul 04, 2015 4:58 pm

I think many Americans including myself agree with Donald Trump on illegal immigration, it has to stop and we cannot award amnesty to law breakers. There's a reason why he is rating in #2 in the polls nationwide for the GOP because he speaks whats on people's mind and he resonates with people. Although I think he should have articulated his remarks about illegal aliens from Mexico in a more sophisticated manner. Although, he is right many not all persons from Mexico do bring drugs, crime, and rape into the US. I like the fact he supports tough border security and mass deportation of illegal aliens, that's exactly what this country needs after being invaded year after year by illegals under multiple presidencies.

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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby MemberSince99 » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:38 pm

I'm not sure what I said that's a conspiracy theory? To me it's just the facts. Don't Republicans push for tax breaks for the wealthy and big business, while Democrats try to give "freebies" to their base? How has EITHER party done one thing for the middle class lately (other than hold us down while corporate America puts the screws to us?)

Please just tell me where I'm wrong I don't see it. This system is totally corrupt, bought and paid for by the special interests that do expect return on investment. Again, they do nothing out of the goodness of their hearts. How is saying that conspiracy?

And another thing that is no conspiracy but I've read numerous accounts, even in the lamestream media, that the new voting machines can't be audited, but they can be hacked. And the US has refused to let the UN verify elections here. No conspiracy there just facts. Now if I implied an election was stolen, then that could be argued I'm talking conspiracy.

So if you see conspiracy there, I'd really like to know where. It's just the truth. It really doesn't matter how you vote - you're going to elect a crook who is in the pockets of those who buy that individual. Honest people don't get elected. If I run for office and I tell the truth and say gee we've got one hell of a mess I have to cut spending in government AND raise taxes to eliminate this deficit (even short term) while my opponent says that's nuts, I can cut your taxes AND give you free health care, cell phones, foot massages and get you laid, you're going to vote for Mr. Liarman because he's telling you what you want to hear. Sure he's lying but what he says sounds a whole lot better and you wanna believe him.

Just look at any of these candidates and listen to their promises, and see how many they actually keep. There's a world of difference there.

How is what I'm saying some conspiracy? I'm totally lost on that one.

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Re: What do you think of Donald Trump?

Postby MemberSince99 » Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:05 pm

By the way if you guys think Trump is bad, you should take a look at Scotty Boy Walker. Bought and paid for by the Koch Bros, he just got busted trying to subvert the open records law. He and his party seem to have a real problem with people knowing the corrupt stuff they do, so they try to sneak things like that into budget bills hoping no one notices, without any public debate of course. Yet I'm sure as he declares his run for President he'll insist he's all about open government. Yeah, just like Hitler was about human rights.

He privatized the Wisconsin Economic Development corporation, and so badly mismanaged that (which was supposed to create jobs) that even members of his own party were appalled (and that's saying something). Billions of tax dollars are unaccounted for, while companies were paid for jobs that were never created, or they laid off workers and created jobs in China, and many just never paid anything back.
So much for "fiscal responsibility". Scotty Boy would have you believe he's a champion of economic development, but as you probably know the economy in Wisconsin is atrocious. He never came close to creating all the jobs he promised, but then again, if you count China, I suppose maybe he did.

Now Scotty Boy wants you to believe he's worthy to be President. Hell, he isn't even worthy to run WEDC, just ask his own party members. A hot dog stand might be too much for this imbecile. But he'll smile big, and get up and lie right to you while looking into your eyes and smiling, as he plots to destroy the lives of the working class and hand everything to the rich and big business, where everything in his view really belongs. If you agree with that, vote for Scotty Boy. If on the other hand you get he's an idiot who is out to pick your pocket and enrich the Kochs with the pickings, then vote for someone else. He makes Trump look like a decent candidate he's so bad.

This is no BS - he actually compared peaceful protesters against his policies in this state to the terrorists of ISIS who behead people. Then of course he denied he REALLY meant to say that, but he clearly did. He said if he can deal with the protesters who dare to disagree with his ideas, then by God, he can handle ISIS. You can interpret that for yourself but the implication is clear.

No conspiracy theory here - just the facts and my low opinion of him. (Yes I loathe this douchebag passionately I wouldn't make the effort to pee on him if he was on fire). And I haven't and won't mention his assault on the working class because with Scotty Boy, that's just a given. The Kochs heartily approve his efforts to turn Wisconsin 3rd world I'm sure so long as he lines their pockets.



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