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Re: Windows 7 or 8? Apple?

Postby Vermonster » Wed May 13, 2015 8:55 am

CarefulBuilder14 wrote:It seems to me that I'd probably get better customer service if there's a problem with the computer by only having to deal with Costco and Dell. If I assembled something myself (which I could probably do), and had a problem, I'd be worried that all the manufacturers would say the problem was with some other company's product.


Never had a problem with any company denying an RMA except for BFG when they filed for Bankruptcy out of the blue. I'm also more of a fix it myself person. I'd rather spend 4 hours learning how to fix the problem than a week without a computer so someone in another state can go through all my shit.

The problem with spending $1500 with the idea of future proofing is that one component is going to eventually be the reason you need to upgrade. On a premade Dell that can be very difficult to upgrade that one component. I promise, if you can tie your shoelaces, and know how to stick a key into a lock, you can build a PC.
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Re: Windows 7 or 8? Apple?

Postby takeshi » Wed May 13, 2015 9:07 am

Each has to decide based on their preferences and priorities on this just like any other topic. I can certainly build and support my own but I fix other people's problems all day at work and prefer to use an appliance when I get home. Not saying that Apple doesn't have its fair share of problems but it's what I prefer. As always, YMMV.

Building is relatively easy but not everyone's willing to troubleshoot (or has sufficient abilities to track down causality) their own stuff and deal with the fingerpointing game. It's worth considering IMO as it is very educational and one can build a totally customized system. If I was still heavily into gaming I'd definitely go that route.

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Re: Windows 7 or 8? Apple?

Postby darkguy2 » Wed May 13, 2015 11:13 am

http://www.costco.com/Dell-XPS-8700-Desktop-%7c-Intel-Core-i7-%7c-4GB-Graphics-%7c-4K-Ultra-HD-.product.100156534.html

Really the specs for the price is pretty good. The only weak points are the graphics card and the hard drive. Don't expect to play any games at high resolution.
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Re: Windows 7 or 8? Apple?

Postby popamode72 » Wed May 13, 2015 11:45 am

darkguy2 wrote:http://www.costco.com/Dell-XPS-8700-Desktop-%7c-Intel-Core-i7-%7c-4GB-Graphics-%7c-4K-Ultra-HD-.product.100156534.html

Really the specs for the price is pretty good. The only weak points are the graphics card and the hard drive. Don't expect to play any games at high resolution.


Careful just wants a computer that can do Excel and store pictures, that sort of thing and also do basic web surfing. I never got the impression that he's heavily into playing games. Otherwise, I would have recommended something like those Alienware laptops or something with one of those NVIDIA cards installed on it.
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Re: Windows 7 or 8? Apple?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Wed May 13, 2015 12:04 pm

popamode72 wrote:
darkguy2 wrote:http://www.costco.com/Dell-XPS-8700-Desktop-%7c-Intel-Core-i7-%7c-4GB-Graphics-%7c-4K-Ultra-HD-.product.100156534.html

Really the specs for the price is pretty good. The only weak points are the graphics card and the hard drive. Don't expect to play any games at high resolution.


Careful just wants a computer that can do Excel and store pictures, that sort of thing and also do basic web surfing. I never got the impression that he's heavily into playing games. Otherwise, I would have recommended something like those Alienware laptops or something with one of those NVIDIA cards installed on it.

I'm going with the Costco Dell bundle and will pay with EDP or maybe get an Arrival and use it to meet the spending for the $200-ish bonus.

I'm not sure if I'll end up playing games. It's a lot easier to resist the temptation when I have a tiny screen and slow-ish computer. :ppp
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Re: Windows 7 or 8? Apple?

Postby darkguy2 » Wed May 13, 2015 12:12 pm

popamode72 wrote:
darkguy2 wrote:http://www.costco.com/Dell-XPS-8700-Desktop-%7c-Intel-Core-i7-%7c-4GB-Graphics-%7c-4K-Ultra-HD-.product.100156534.html

Really the specs for the price is pretty good. The only weak points are the graphics card and the hard drive. Don't expect to play any games at high resolution.


Careful just wants a computer that can do Excel and store pictures, that sort of thing and also do basic web surfing. I never got the impression that he's heavily into playing games. Otherwise, I would have recommended something like those Alienware laptops or something with one of those NVIDIA cards installed on it.


I never said he needed it I am just saying that for the price it is not a bad build. Really you could not easily build a rig that had the same parts for $1500. That monitor alone costs $550.
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Re: Windows 7 or 8? Apple?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Wed May 13, 2015 1:08 pm

I guess I'll be paying for it with the Arrival when it comes. That way, there won't be a big dent in my swipe count from a lot of small transactions.

I had wanted to eventually get the card, anyway.
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Re: Windows 7 or 8? Apple?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:27 pm

After some headaches with FedEx, and a busy week, the computer arrived and I started to assemble it...only to have trouble with the monitor.

I looked on Costco.com, and since I ordered mine, a lot of people have been complaining about the monitor being incompatible. I don't really understand the details. Basically, I plug the cables in and the monitor says there is no Display Port connection. To get it to work, I think I'd have to use the built-in video instead of the video card.

Should I just return the whole thing, if I can't use it as a high-end machine?

Or can I still have it work as a high-end machine with a reasonably inexpensive fix?

I'm really disappointed in Costco for this. This is a new low. My relatives have bought Costco computer bundles before without any trouble. My last Costco laptop was fine.

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Re: Windows 7 or 8? Apple?

Postby lobbythis » Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:19 pm

Straight from Nvidia:

2 - 3840x2160 at 30Hz or 4096x2160 at 24Hz supported over HDMI. 4096x2160 (including 3840x2160) at 60Hz supported over Displayport.

If you want full 4K, you need an adapter to convert the HDMI on the card to DisplayPort to connect to the monitor. And, that HDMI cable will probably need to be version 2.0 because the old 1.4 does not support 4K.

Otherwise, run 1080p over standard HDMI on both computer and monitor.

You have a sweet setup. There is absolutely no need to return it because of this. Both card and monitor are compatible.

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Re: Windows 7 or 8? Apple?

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:41 pm

lobbythis wrote:Straight from Nvidia:

2 - 3840x2160 at 30Hz or 4096x2160 at 24Hz supported over HDMI. 4096x2160 (including 3840x2160) at 60Hz supported over Displayport.

If you want full 4K, you need an adapter to convert the HDMI on the card to DisplayPort to connect to the monitor. And, that HDMI cable will probably need to be version 2.0 because the old 1.4 does not support 4K.

Otherwise, run 1080p over standard HDMI on both computer and monitor.

You have a sweet setup. There is absolutely no need to return it because of this. Both card and monitor are compatible.

So, if I understand this correctly...

The female HDMI port in the monitor is more primitive than version 2.0, making it less desirable as a display option. I don't think I even have an HDMI cable yet.

The fact that I have a video card pre-installed means that the computer is not directing the video signal through the motherboard. I have the Displayport cable running from the motherboard to the monitor (which is how the cables fit) but there is no signal getting through because the graphics signal is trying to go through the video card. I could disable the video card and use the computer without an adapter, but it would be a lot less powerful than it should be for what I'm paying. One of the reviews indicates that there is a tradeoff here, which I find confusing. I was taught that using a video card was basically always better than having graphics go through the motherboard. Is this a case of an unusually powerful motherboard and an unusually weak graphics card?

So I think what I need to do is to connect the female HDMI port on the tower to the female "little" Displayport on the monitor. To do this, I should get an adapter with a male HDMI version 2.0 (not 1.4) end (to put in the tower) and a female "big" Displayport end (to connect to the "big" male end of my existing Displayport cable (which is currently plugged into the motherboard).

With the "big" male Displayport end of my existing cable attached to the female "big" Displayport end of the adapter, I'll then plug the "little" male Displayport cable into the "little" female Displayport slot on the monitor.

*I guess I could also just get one cable, male at both ends, to connect the "small" Displayport on the monitor to the HDMI 2.0 on the tower.*
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