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Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:07 pm

Discuss that stuff here all you want.
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Postby yfan » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:24 pm

I say less than a page before Godwin's law kicks in on this thread.

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Postby Battery111 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:11 pm

yfan wrote:I say less than a page before Godwin's law kicks in on this thread.


One could argue you're correct since you in fact did indirectly refer to nazism. But still, you're probably right in a more direct manner.

That being said, there actually are a few parallels that could be drawn, but it's always best to head off an argument not supporting one's position before it's made.
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Postby lobbythis » Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:08 pm

NRA member here.

Come at me bro.

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Postby Nixon » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:33 pm

lobbythis wrote:NRA member here.

Come at me bro.


+1

Firearms shouldn't just be for criminals and police. ;)
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Postby darkguy2 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:25 pm

I think we have a real national crisis right now when it comes to the police. It seems like every day, there is a new story that pops up showing an officer using excessive or lethal force that did not call for it. At first I was on the fence with the Ferguson event. It seemed to me it was not as black and white as the media made it out to be, but some of the more recent ones seem to clearly show that some officers are basically committing murder of innocent people and getting away with it.

One of the big problems is no-knock raids on houses suspected of having very low levels of drugs. Many of these have injured or killed innocent people. An officer was even killed in one when the homeowner defended himself from what he thought was robbers. He was even vindicated in court when the grand jury decided not to indict him, but they still continue to do them on lower and lower priority crimes.

Last the militarization of police. These officers are given the same weapons as our troops use in war zones, but not the same training. There are numerous examples where police treat these very dangerous objects as toys and are itching to use them. One good example was in Ferguson with the now famous picture of the police in full military gear pointing their assault rifles at civilians. Or the many videos showing law enforcement playing around with their new assault vehicles. They are no longer treating citizens as those that they must protect, they are treating them as those they must protect themselves from.
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Postby Gamma » Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:43 am

My latest story I've read regarding police excessive force

http://news.yahoo.com/alabama-police-officer-charged-assaulting-indian-man-062639725.html

Starting to seem more of a daily occurrence.

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Postby LessIsMore » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:29 am

lobbythis wrote:NRA member here.

Come at me bro.


I own only 1 gun - a Springfield XDM semi-auto 9mm ... with 3 politically incorrect 19-round clips (grin). I recently joined Gun Owners of America. And at the same time, I sent a letter to the NRA - telling them I intended to let my membership with them lapse. It's not because I disagree with them - or the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms. It's because I frankly got sick and tired of their seemingly incessant fund-raising. I was getting hammered daily by emails or snail-mails, all asking for donations. Yesterday, I got two snail-mails from them. And in my letter to the NRA, I also told them that if GOA spammed me as much as the NRA did, I'd let my GOA membership lapse as well.

FWIW, I once went to a "Friends of the NRA" banquet locally. And even when people were "trying" to eat their dinners, fund-raising people would go table-to-table ... interrupting them as they ate to solicit donations. That was my first and last banquet.

While I realize fund-raising is important to organizations like the NRA, there comes a point when the NRA goes into overkill mode. At least, they reached that point with me.
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Postby LessIsMore » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:47 am

Recently in Pasco, Washington, a Hispanic man was killed by the police. And there have been a whole slew of protests, some demanding that the officers involved should be fired. The man was throwing rocks at moving cars. And while I think it would have been better to use a non-lethal method (tasers, etc.) to subdue him, the cops nonetheless had a responsibility to subdue him for public safety reasons. Throwing rocks at moving automobiles on a public thoroughfare could easily lead to harm or death.

One person has said that the reason Hispanics in Pasco are so upset is because the area is 80% Hispanic. Of course, if this is true, it stands to reason that 80% of the drivers who had rocks thrown at them were also Hispanic ... and "their" rights should supercede the rights of the guy who threw the rocks.
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Postby darkguy2 » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:32 am

Gamma wrote:My latest story I've read regarding police excessive force

http://news.yahoo.com/alabama-police-officer-charged-assaulting-indian-man-062639725.html

Starting to seem more of a daily occurrence.


At least in that case the guy has already been fired and arrested. That is pretty rare in these cases usually. More often than not they will try to cover it up.
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