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Postby darkguy2 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:51 am

LessIsMore wrote:Just a brief comment on the Ferguson grand jury decision. I firmly believe that the judge in this case was universally stupid in announcing the decision at 8pm (local time). When the grand jury came back, he should have said he'd hear their decision at 8am the next morning - and adjourn the court for the night. I suspect a lot of violence and looting could have been prevented (or at least deterred) by having the decision announced in BROAD DAYLIGHT. At the very least, cops can probably see crimes happening better during the day than they can during the night.


I think their main reason was because they assumed they would riot. So they announced it when the children were at home safe and not going to school or at school.
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Postby jumbo » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:08 pm

Just went through the NRA pistol training course. I have my eye on a Glock 34 Gen 4. :cheers: :ppp
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Postby darkguy2 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:54 pm

jumbo wrote:Just went through the NRA pistol training course. I have my eye on a Glock 34 Gen 4. :cheers: :ppp


I have not seen the 34 before. I have the 19 gen4. What is the advantage over the 17?
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Postby jumbo » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:23 pm

Barrel length is a bit longer on 34 than the 17. Hence more distance between sights, which is better for accuracy.
Other than that, the trigger pull is a bit lighter and weigh about an ounce more than 17.
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Postby darkguy2 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:04 pm

Dang, I already consider the 17 a large gun vs my 19.
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Postby jumbo » Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:03 am

haha... yes you can say that... its fairly large... I've tried a few other 9mm's and I like the way 34 shoots.
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Postby benhollberg » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:53 pm

I've got my eye on either the Glock 17 or Glock 41 as my next purchase. I've shot the 19 plenty and like it, but want the longer barrel. I'm leaning more to the 17 as I already have a 9mm and it'd be easier to keep stocking 9mm but I've always wanted a .45 ACP too.
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Postby rhipsher » Tue Feb 24, 2015 8:15 pm

darkguy2 wrote:I think we have a real national crisis right now when it comes to the police. It seems like every day, there is a new story that pops up showing an officer using excessive or lethal force that did not call for it. At first I was on the fence with the Ferguson event. It seemed to me it was not as black and white as the media made it out to be, but some of the more recent ones seem to clearly show that some officers are basically committing murder of innocent people and getting away with it.

One of the big problems is no-knock raids on houses suspected of having very low levels of drugs. Many of these have injured or killed innocent people. An officer was even killed in one when the homeowner defended himself from what he thought was robbers. He was even vindicated in court when the grand jury decided not to indict him, but they still continue to do them on lower and lower priority crimes.

Last the militarization of police. These officers are given the same weapons as our troops use in war zones, but not the same training. There are numerous examples where police treat these very dangerous objects as toys and are itching to use them. One good example was in Ferguson with the now famous picture of the police in full military gear pointing their assault rifles at civilians. Or the many videos showing law enforcement playing around with their new assault vehicles. They are no longer treating citizens as those that they must protect, they are treating them as those they must protect themselves from.
With the advent of the internet and cell phones with
everybody making videos and posting them you just see more of it than ever before. Before that you never heard about it or saw it. Technology has made everything instant. Compare 2015 to the 1950's. Which time period do you think was worse for blacks. It's a pretty obvious answer.

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Postby Nixon » Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:26 pm

rhipsher wrote:With the advent of the internet and cell phones with
everybody making videos and posting them you just see more of it than ever before. Before that you never heard about it or saw it. Technology has made everything instant. Compare 2015 to the 1950's. Which time period do you think was worse for blacks. It's a pretty obvious answer.


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Postby darkguy2 » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:03 am

rhipsher wrote:With the advent of the internet and cell phones with
everybody making videos and posting them you just see more of it than ever before. Before that you never heard about it or saw it. Technology has made everything instant. Compare 2015 to the 1950's. Which time period do you think was worse for blacks. It's a pretty obvious answer.


There is a difference between just posting a video about it and actually doing something about it. I think many Americans are outraged, but not many of them are actually doing something about it. There are cases where there is video of the LEO doing something wrong and they never face any consequences.


Right now I am looking to get a 22LR for my next purchase. I would like to have a gun to take to the range that does not cost me a ton to shoot. Even 9mm is expensive when you want to spend some time at the range.
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