What stores/restaurants do you refuse to shop/eat at and why?

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Postby oldsoldier » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:09 am

No politics here. I am more about service and how I am treated. I have had bad experiences at Walmart and Chili's they are on my list.

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Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:16 pm

I've never personally ordered food from Chick-fil-a, but I did eat their sandwiches at catered events before I (or the event organizers) knew of the anti-gay ownership. The sandwiches are tasty, but there are much healthier alternatives that taste just as good. I tend to cook more than eat out, anyway, so I have no trouble resisting it.

Now if Chipotle or Five Guys became politically incorrect or gave bad service, that would be a more of a challenge for me.

I hadn't even heard of Hobby Lobby before the Supreme Court case, but I wouldn't go to one.

I like Costco but don't mind shopping at Target or Walmart occasionally.

I suspect there may be others I can't think of right now.
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Postby jeffysdad01 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 1:26 pm

I'm fortunate that I never experienced Chick Fil A before it became controversial. They weren't around where I grew up. And when I moved to somewhere they were, the restaurants just weren't appealing. Now I live in a city where the CFA's actually look nice and I hear the food is delicious. But I now know about their political views so I won't go. A Raising Cane's just opened down the street from me, so that's where I get my bi-monthly processed chicken fix.

I also didn't have Walmarts where I grew up and later moved to a new town and lived down the street from one. I thought it was great. They were practically giving stuff away. I still have some of the stuff I furnished an early apartment with (dishes, glasses, power drill...). Then I went sour on Walmart for political reasons. I got over it and tried going back, but the one closest to where I live now (a brand new one) just isn't competitive with my grocery store on price and particularly on selection. So WM is off my list again, but just because it's not worth it for convenience, price, etc. These days I just think big box stores are all the same (no one more evil than the others) and are just a sad fact of life I can't do anything about.

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Postby otter » Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:49 pm

Boycotts, especially political ones, just don't work. The last time there was a mass boycott of CFA... their restaurants across the country had record breaking sales days. My politics are probably different than most of you, but I typically don't buy products based on a company's political beliefs. I buy Ben and Jerry's ice cream because it's delicious even though I think Ben and Jerry are a couple of smug New England socialists.

I do see the irony of progressives supporting boycotts when they've spent most of the past 30 years crying "censorship" whenever conservatives boycotted companies with obvious left-wing bias.
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Postby jeffysdad01 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:14 pm

I have no expectation that my not eating at CFA makes a bit of difference to the company or anyone else. It's purely a matter of observing my own personal ethics. I just don't want to eat there because I know what they are.

otter wrote:Boycotts, especially political ones, just don't work. The last time there was a mass boycott of CFA... their restaurants across the country had record breaking sales days. My politics are probably different than most of you, but I typically don't buy products based on a company's political beliefs. I buy Ben and Jerry's ice cream because it's delicious even though I think Ben and Jerry are a couple of smug New England socialists.

I do see the irony of progressives supporting boycotts when they've spent most of the past 30 years crying "censorship" whenever conservatives boycotted companies with obvious left-wing bias.

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Postby whit » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:27 pm

You do realize that the "big banks" that took bail out wasn't necessary always by choice and the smaller banks eventually got absorbed because they were playing fast and loose too but didn't have enough capital, I mean, bear sterns was pretty well known.

Personally I would never say never. I had a restaurant give me bad service so I stopped going for over a year but one day I caved on a particularly bad day and still same management! Now they give me 20% off my order, sometimes 10% if the manager isn't there and they get me the stuff asap, quite a turnaround and with the same folks

I don't think my buying power is big enough to warrant a licking of care with the businesses I do business with but I will say

It's been years since I've had a soda, free or paid, and same with McDonald's, Burger King, jack in the box, kfc, Popeyes, etc

Not when five guys, in and out, super duper, Unami, roam, etc exists.

And food trucks, major food trucks in my area

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Vattené wrote:There aren't many that I outright boycott, but Chick-fil-A is one for me, too. I liked it but couldn't stand the thought of even a tiny amount of the money I gave them going to donations for right wing/theocratic/homophobic causes. A couple years ago when buying decorations for our wedding reception my (now) wife and I got everything we could from Michael's, but we did end up giving quite a bit of money to Hobby Lobby just because we couldn't find certain things elsewhere (and I have had multiple horrible customer service experiences with them at different stores, too, so I would avoid them regardless of their political activism now anyway).

After 2008 I consciously made the decision not to hold any accounts with big banks (if they are going to be "too big to fail" then I can at least not contribute to their size). I do all banking with local financial institutions now except for credit cards. If, say, Bank of America offered a card with unprecedented rewards I might cave, but they're not currently offering anything too irresistible anyway. I don't have any experience with loans, but at least on the liability side of the balance sheet small banks have been just as competive in my experience. I guess it is in part the Walmart Principle applied to banks (even though I do shop at Walmart personally).

I am not sure how big Regions Bank is (they have a pretty big footprint, but I don't think it is a nationwide presence), but I pulled out of them in college for another reason. They threatened to start charging for debit card usage. I say threatened because they announced it but never followed through after there was a big backlash apparently. It was too late for me, though. I closed my account as soon as I found out and never looked back because I can't stand paying banks for the privilege of using my money.

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Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:32 pm

Boycotts are complicated. Some work, some don't. Some of the card issuers and co-brand partners have boycotts.

According to http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/boycotts/boycottslist.aspx:

Barclays and RBS are boycotted because they are somehow involved in oil sands drilling.

Hyatt has labor relations problems.

IHG is in China-occupied Tibet.

Target backs anti-gay politicians.

Amazon doesn't collect sales tax when it should.

I haven't investigated these in any real depth.
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Postby Vattené » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:37 pm

otter wrote:Boycotts, especially political ones, just don't work. The last time there was a mass boycott of CFA... their restaurants across the country had record breaking sales days. My politics are probably different than most of you, but I typically don't buy products based on a company's political beliefs. I buy Ben and Jerry's ice cream because it's delicious even though I think Ben and Jerry are a couple of smug New England socialists.

I do see the irony of progressives supporting boycotts when they've spent most of the past 30 years crying "censorship" whenever conservatives boycotted companies with obvious left-wing bias.

In all fairness there WAS a concerted effort to support CFA (by patronizing it) from the side if those that oppose LGBT equality. For me, I am not expecting to bring about any real change - I know my business at any one franchise, let alone corporation, doesn't amount to a drop in the bucket - but when there is so much competition I would just rather take my business elsewhere.

Politics aside, too many people on BOTH sides confuse "censorship of speech" with "suffering social consequences from speech." It annoys the hell out of me too, for what it's worth.
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Postby Vattené » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:00 pm

whit wrote:You do realize that the "big banks" that took bail out wasn't necessary always by choice and the smaller banks eventually got absorbed because they were playing fast and loose too but didn't have enough capital, I mean, bear sterns was pretty well known.

No doubt there are nuances of which I am not aware, the industry was taking entirely too risky moves as a larger trend, and all big banks aren't evil while all small banks are saints...but to be honest I really don't care. I would rather give my business to a small "bad" company (be it corrupt, poorly managed, grossly irresponsible, etc.) than a large "bad" company. They can be allowed to fail and removed from the marketplace, rather than being propped up becasuse the economy desperately needs its continuance. It's a good thing to have a lot of players on both sides of the equation in a capitalist system. Just like with boycotts, I am not expecting to bring Bank of America to its knees, but given the option I will gladly go somewhere else.
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Postby popamode72 » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:38 pm

otter wrote:Boycotts, especially political ones, just don't work. The last time there was a mass boycott of CFA... their restaurants across the country had record breaking sales days. My politics are probably different than most of you, but I typically don't buy products based on a company's political beliefs. I buy Ben and Jerry's ice cream because it's delicious even though I think Ben and Jerry are a couple of smug New England socialists.

I do see the irony of progressives supporting boycotts when they've spent most of the past 30 years crying "censorship" whenever conservatives boycotted companies with obvious left-wing bias.


I agree on your first point at least. I've been all over the place though when it has come to my political beliefs though. Kinda grew up being a standard Democrat, then read Ayn Rand and ilk in my teens and started gravitating towards all that right libertarianism stuff and even some conservatism mixed in, and now I'm a full on progressive and social democrat that's much more to the left than I ever was before so who knows if my beliefs might change yet again.
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