Is Toyota the worst car company ever?

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Is Toyota the worst car company ever?

Postby Mogul of Pineapples » Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:56 am

Are any of you guys following this gas peddle story? This is just awful, but worst of all is how the company is handling it. They have known about the problem for many months and still haven't found a solution.

On the news, they were talking about a local man who was driving his Camry on the 170 freeway when the accelerator stayed stuck and started going from 60 to 80+. He almost crashed but luckily he came out okay. He took it to the dealership and they weren't able to fix it (since they don't know how yet) and all they did was give him a service order to use in the future. He asked for either a loaner or a replacement car (his car was almost new) and Toyota refused. So that means he's stuck driving a defective car that could literally kill him and his family at any time.

(That's another reason to buy your car with a credit card, then you would be able to claim it as a fraudulent purchase, ha!)
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I was talking about this with friends

Postby jeffysdad » Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:20 pm

at Thanksgiving. Some of them are late-model Toyota owners. We all said there was going to be a lot more to the story, and it turns out we were right.

I've owned two Toyotas, a 1986 Camry I bought used and a 1995 Corolla that I bought new. The Camry was made in Japan and was a fantastic car. It was a tremendous deal since I bought it used and was incredibly reliable. It was totaled in an accident. The Corolla was not nearly as well made, fit and finsish-wise. I think it was made in Mexico or U.S. My next car was an Accord, bought new, which turned out to be a lemon (transmission) that they wouldn't fix.

I now drive a Nissan, which I love. I'll never buy another Toyota or Honda again. Subaru is probably the only brand other than Nissan I would consider now.
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Postby Mogul of Pineapples » Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:17 pm

It's funny you mention the '95 Corolla's inferior quality. My mother has gone through two from that generation - did you know they were built on the same line as the Geo Prizm? It's no wonder they were junk.

I've never owned a Nissan but there are a lot of them on the road around me. I love their sports coupe, but the problem is everyone has one which kind of makes it boring in my book.
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Yeah, I remember now...

Postby jeffysdad » Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:30 pm

I think it was a plant in California that Toyota and GM partnered on. I remember hearing a lot about this when the GM bailout was going on. Think it ended up getting closed if I remember correctly.
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Postby DoingHomework » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:38 pm

I think this has been blown completely out of proportion and there is something political behind it. I am suspicious that is has to do with Toyota not being union.

The problem is simply not very serious, affects a relatively few cars, and has not resulted is too much serious damage in proprtion. I know there have been a couple of deaths but that is small compared to defects in other cars. Do people not know they can always shift into neutral or turn the car off if the accelerator sticks!

The bottom line is that Toyota makes good cars. They are much higher quality than GM or Ford. Honda is great too (I drive an Acura). Nissan is also good.

Toyota has not handled this very well but there is clearly much more too this. It has turned into a witch hunt. You can pick up a consumer reports any month and see dozens of recalls listed for ford and gm cars while there are very few for toy or honda. A single recall, even for something like this, should not be making the splash it is. I think it is just the union wolves jumping on this for political reasons.

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Union wolves...

Postby jeffysdad » Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:55 pm

and GM's government owner.
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Postby DoingHomework » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:36 pm

jeffysdad wrote:and GM's government owner.


You don't think our government would do something like that do you?

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Postby AnthonyBarone » Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:21 pm

Toyotas and Hondas are overrated pieces of crap. Drove a Tundra for 6 months on a construction gig and it doesn't hold a candle to my F-150. Everyone wants to trash talk American made because they think imported goods are better. I tell you in my day and age folks bought Ford and GM trucks and cars because it was the right thing to do for the country. No ones got any loyalty to the red, white and blue anymore.

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Toyota blew it with the Tundra

Postby jeffysdad » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:33 pm

Quality/design problems with the Tundra are well documented. If I were buying a truck, I would go with an F-series, too.

That said, I think it's absolutely outrageous that GM and Chrysler were not allowed to fail. I expect Chrysler eventually will, and probably GM, too, but not before they've cost taxpayers billions. The greed/corruption of unions and management at both companies is an absolute disgrace, imo. Don't even talk to me about the jobs. No company exists to provide jobs for workers. Companies exist to produce products. Full stop. (I feel the same way about Citi, B of A, etc.: should have been allowed to fail. Too big to fail is bull****.)

As for Ford, I don't like their cars, but I hope they do well. They did the right thing by not taking a bailout and they deserve to be rewarded for that as long as they produce a decent product.
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Postby Mogul of Pineapples » Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:43 pm

The problem is simply not very serious, affects a relatively few cars, and has not resulted is too much serious damage in proprtion.


Actually, it affects every car produced for the affected models - that's millions of cars. So anyone with an affected model and year is at risk. However, Toyota doesn't yet know what triggers the problem exactly - therefore it's unpredictable when it will happen. Although it's rare, it's still a risk I wouldn't want to take. I personally know two people that have experienced the Prius brake problem and one person that experienced the Camry acceleration problem. This was before the whole problem was exposed to the public. So there are a lot of people experiencing this problem - more than you think - it's just that rarely does it result in a serious crash. For example, my friend that suffered the acceleration problem said it only lasted for about ten seconds while he was on the freeway - so he we able to avoid hitting anything.

Speaking of the company, is there a Toyota credit card on the market? Being the most car manufacturers have their own credit card, I'm surprised I haven't heard of one from Toyota.
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