Apparently you don't REALLY own your home

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Apparently you don't REALLY own your home

Postby MemberSince99 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:50 pm

I was aware the government requires permits for you to do things to your own home, but I didn't bother to find out just WHAT specifically is required before I bought.


The answer, in Milwaukee, is just about damn near everything. I'm honestly not sure I haven't already done things that technically required permits. I replaced two toilet seat bolts last night, and while that wasn't specifcally listed, I would not be at all surprised if some fascist had to come out, inspect the bolts (because God knows they don't wnat people falling on their ass) and do lab tests on them and charge you a grand to get things up to spec.


It's kind of ridiculous. Land of the free? Whatever. Nothing here is "free" in terms of cost and it's getting less free in other ways every day.


I remember our grade school teachers giving us the daily propaganda spiel, at the time the hated foe was the former Soviet Union. (I can only imagine which foes they rant and rave about today, I mean take your pick - Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, Syria, Somalia, etc etc the list goes on...) and they would tell us how in Russia you were not permitted to travel from one city to another city without the direct, explicit permission of the central govenrment in Moscow. I thought oh BS that would bring any countgry to its knees let alone a massive country like the USSR. Of course that was total BS along with most other things they tried to branwash us with, but anymore I'mt thinking that's what the US wants to be. If you doubt it, just check with your local municipality and see how much of what's supposedly your property they actually control and regulate. You might be shocked at the answer. You think business has it bad? Try "owning" a home.


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Postby nismoZtuner » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:52 pm

Government- ONE BIG MAFIA/GANG!

they just need a system to take control..
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Postby djrez4 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:37 pm

Buyin' in the big city! That'll learn ya.

While we're complaining, let's be annoyed that your neighbors homes are built to code and don't collapse, endangering both you and your home. Let's also get pissed that there are setback requirements so your neighbor can't expand his house to the very edge of your property. And those pesky maximum coverage rules that prevent your neighbor from paving the whole lot so rain on his property drains into your basement.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 4:31 pm

I'm not necessarily against ALL codes and regulations, but here is one example that I find ludicrous and intrustive - if you install new doors you need a permit.


Seriously, doors? I bet no one bothers with it. I certainly don't plan to. I can handle my own door buying and replacement, thank you very much. In fact I took off and planed the bottoms of several doors in my place because they were hitting on the carpeting and put them back on, andyou know what? My home hasn't collapsed as of this noon when i went home for lunch.


That's the sort of ridiculous I'm talking about, and the depth and instrusiveness of it really is just bizarre. I don't mean safety things I mean pretty much damn near anything and everything you can do short of painting and I'm surprised that isn't in there maybe I just overlooked it. Even landscaping requires a permit.


Who needs a homeowner's association to run your life when your city government is happy to do that for you.

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Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:04 pm

Only governments can truly own real estate in common law countries (like the US). What most people have - fee simple ownership - is really more of a right to lease it with a lot of restrictions.

I'm not sure which countries allow true allodial ownership anymore.
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Postby djrez4 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:20 pm

MemberSince99 wrote:I'm not necessarily against ALL codes and regulations, but here is one example that I find ludicrous and intrustive - if you install new doors you need a permit.


Seriously, doors? I bet no one bothers with it. I certainly don't plan to. I can handle my own door buying and replacement, thank you very much. In fact I took off and planed the bottoms of several doors in my place because they were hitting on the carpeting and put them back on, andyou know what? My home hasn't collapsed as of this noon when i went home for lunch.


That's the sort of ridiculous I'm talking about, and the depth and instrusiveness of it really is just bizarre. I don't mean safety things I mean pretty much damn near anything and everything you can do short of painting and I'm surprised that isn't in there maybe I just overlooked it. Even landscaping requires a permit.


Who needs a homeowner's association to run your life when your city government is happy to do that for you.


Doors are important - fire rated doors can keep a blaze contained in the garage or furnace room long enough for you to escape from the house. I bet your regulations specify the thickness and fire-rating of drywall for certain areas of the home as well.

Landscaping regulations probably relate to water use and non-native species.

There are reasons for most of these regulations. Reason #1 is generally that some idiot did a DIY job improperly and the consequences were enough to get the city or state involved. So, don't get pissed at the city; get pissed at the moron who installed hollow-core doors and 1/2" gypsum in his garage and died when his house burned down.

CarefulBuilder14 wrote:Only governments can truly own real estate in common law countries (like the US). What most people have - fee simple ownership - is really more of a right to lease it with a lot of restrictions.

I'm not sure which countries allow true allodial ownership anymore.


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Postby MemberSince99 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:28 pm

The REAL reason is let's be honest government employees tend to be the bottom of the barrel sorts who can't cut it in a job working in the "real world", and they get off on the power and ability to mess with other people because they are fascists at heart. It's about power and control, at the heart of it. And they really relish and get off on it. I guess they need something to make up for the fact that they are basically losers who don't have what it takes to make it in the world the rest of us do.


There really is a lot of truth to the statement I heard that the most terrifying thing you can hear is "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you". Um, is there any way, in hell, at all, that I can refuse your "help"? Didn't think so, I'm f'd.


If you want big government running every aspect of your existence, then just rejoice, because we are certainly on that road to hell today.

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Postby rhipsher » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:28 pm

Hahahahahaha! You must have received your first nasty letter from the home owners association. Like I've always said. You pay them to harass you and that's pretty much it. Now if you really want to be a thorn in their side then show up to all of the neighborhood association meetings and there you really get to piss them off. Been there and done that. It's allot of fun. And they will leave you alone. ;)

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Postby MemberSince99 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:44 am

No we don't have an HOA here where I live (thank God that has to be like living under a totalitarian regime why do people submit to that idiocy?) but you do have the city which seems to want to be in near total control of anything and everything you could possibly do to what they say is your property. Again, I didn't notice that a permit and inspections and fees are required to do painting, but I simply could have overlooked that, and just about everything else is in there. I doubt the former Soviet Union could have been worse as far as being control freaks. Hell I kid you not, if you even want to park on the street outside "your" house at night here in Milwaukee, you have to pay them a fee to do it. I'm not joking that is what my neighbor told me. Just another way to chisel $$$ out of you as if they don't take enough as it is. And the condition of the streets look like they've been bombed no joke there either, it looks like a combination of an earthquake and bombing with all the buckles and massive stretches of top surface missing. The neighbor told me they had one part torn completely up and just left it like that since last winter before they finally just got around to filling that feet deep hole a couple of weeks ago.


Your tax dollars in action. Well spent and managed just like everything courtesy of the government.

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Postby notcool » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:01 am

my great grandparents lived in a totalitarian country before coming to the USA. Despite the posts above an HOA is not in any meaningful way like a totalitarian state. Neither are most local building codes. Of course hoas and local codes are subject to criticism but many people like an hoa and building codes are probably necessary to promote safe housing. I don't think the comparison is fair.



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