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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:07 am

HA I was thinking that - now when I say I'm gardening, I'll be serious instead of just making a joke of it.


The close took about half an hour. I signed away literally everything but my soul (the LO assured me that wasn't part of the deal) and I now officially own a home. Well as long as I make the payments that is.


Interestingly the seller and the seller's agent did not appear. I thought they had to but obviously not at least in WI. I got a key but of couse immediately had a locksmith come and rekey before I started moving my things in. Between moving things over and doing things around the house that was the weekend. I found places I didn't even know I had to hurt. But I'm ahead of the schedule I set for myself as far as moving and have only my computer left to move myself at this point - the rest is big furtnite I can't comfortably handle myself. That goes this coming Saturday.


On the douchebag front, my apartment really takes the cake. These are the same people who gave me a "welcome to your new life of luxury" sheet when I signed the lease there, though everything there is substandard quality though the place LOOKS nice enough, and the same people who wanted me to live with a patio door that didn't lock. I really don't want to keep the unit beyond this coming weekend I just want to be gone and not go back and frankly there is no legitimate reason to once I'm done there, so that's the main reason though I also figured ok I'll cut them a bit of a break though I know they won't cut me any at all. And you know what? They tried to find another way to throw me a woody. I let them know that I'd leaving early and we could do the final walkthrough on the 15th and then it would be theirs even though I have to pay through October, and I'd be switching the power to them since I'd be turning it over to them. They actually had the nerve to tell me that even if I do that I still have to pay the power through the end of the lease term as stated in section 1.6 of my lease. I was like that is ridiculous - there is no way I'm giving you an open license to use energy in a place I have no access to anymore, unless ordered to do so by a judge.


You'd think they would have been happy for the chance to rent it sooner but not these guys - I want to be rid of the dump, but I'm tempted to just keep it through October. Haven't made up my mind on it. You try to do a good thing and they just wanna stick it to ya any way they can. Yeah, renting is for chumps. I'm so glad I'm not going to be one of the chumps any longer putting up with this sort of garbage.


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Postby djrez4 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:52 pm

I think most states allow seller and buyer to appear separately to sign closing docs. There should be a "Counterparts" clause in your contract that allows it.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:25 pm

That must be how they did it. I've just never heard of at least the seller's agent not showing up. But I guess it doesn't really matter - they left a key, left the garage door openers and paperwork on the counter, and they're done.

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Postby Vattené » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:35 pm

It is astonishing what some landlords/management companies will do to squeeze every penny out of you they can. I lived in a huge complex in St. Louis and had to pay a full month beyond what I needed because I missed the deadline for turning in a piece of paper saying I would be leaving by a matter of days (that deadline itself was ridiculous - if I recall you had to give notice by the 15th on the month before your last month). I understand in most cases they would need notice as a lot of tenants are there on a month-to-month basis long after their original lease. In my case, I went in with a short-term lease for a specific number of months and extended it further (at which point they jumped on the chance to hike my rent up).

They could have rented it out a full month earlier. It was in the heart of the city, so I doubt they would have had any trouble doing so. But I had to pay for an extra month, so I made sure to turn in my key on the last date possible.

Edited because I got too caught up in my rant and forgot to congratulate you on home ownership.

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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:05 pm

That's what I'm giving thought to doing as well. I really don't want/need it, to be honest, and there is NO point cleaning it any earlier than the weekend before the end of October if I keep it (after all they will be showing it I would assume, and it being spotless for that really is not my problem that's their problem) but I really don't want it either. I have no use for it. I'd give them a break if they weren't such jerkoffs but they are so part of me thinks I should just keep it until 10/31 then do the walk through with them and turn it back then. That seems to be what they want though I can't really understand why. I'd want to rent it out as soon as possible. Oh well I don't care what their motivation is, only what I'll do at this point. I'm sure NOT leaving an open electrical bill for them to abuse if they choose to while I can do nothing about it - that's NOT happening. In fact I don't even care if a judge says to do it I'm not doing that. They can sue, but I'm not doing it.


Thank you it's gotta be better than the CRAP that is renting. On the plus side i'm sure I will love it. Thank you!

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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:34 pm

Boy it gets even better.


I wanted to clarify what the final walk through entailed. Specifically I wanted to verify that when they inspect it together with you, at the end of it, you get something in writing from them as to what's wrong and what's right (otherwise what the hell is the point of it really?)


Well guess what - they do NOT give you anything in writing after that. I was told it only comes "with the check" from their corproate office after the fact.


To me that's really not acceptable. I mean they could change the form to say whatever they wanted doing it that way you know. I'm trying to understand why they are unwilling to give me anything in writing at that time, and they haven't given me an answer and the only reason I can come up with is they want the ability to jerk you around. So, it seems to me it's rather pointless. Again if they won't give you a signed copy done then, what's the point of it?


I'm not going to bother with it if they can't provide me with a good reason for it - in that case I'll just bring my phone and record (in pictures) the condition and have a witness come with me from work who will be willing to come to court with me if need be. Otherwise I'm "trusting" them and that isn't somethning I can do, especially when they've given me plenty of reasons NOT to trust them.


Them jerking you around just never seems to end. I think I'll just keep it until the last day and make sure that I clean it the last weekend before the 31st of Oct, that I get a witness to go through it with me and take photos on that date, and that at that time I leave the keys and garage opener on the counter and just leave it for them. I'm sure it will end up in court so really what does it matter anyway.

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Postby kcm7 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:26 pm

MemberSince99 wrote:
I wanted to clarify what the final walk through entailed. Specifically I wanted to verify that when they inspect it together with you, at the end of it, you get something in writing from them as to what's wrong and what's right (otherwise what the hell is the point of it really?)


Well guess what - they do NOT give you anything in writing after that. I was told it only comes "with the check" from their corproate office after the fact.



That's been the case with all the places I've rented, and you're right, it sucks. The ONLY purpose it serves is for you to do it enough in advance that you can fix some of the issues before they charge you. Like, if they go, "Oh you forgot to clean the fan blades. Clean them, or we'll charge you $500," then you can quickly clean the fan blades and avoid the charge. It's no good as far as getting them to agree to what you should/shouldn't be charged for.

I lived in this really shady place once, and we were doing my walk-through at the end of my lease. The lady noticed a brown mark on the carpet that was there when I moved in -- and that I'd clearly marked on the check-list when I moved in.

She goes, "Uh, there's a cigarette burn here."

And I go, "Yeah. I noted it on my move-in checklist."

She scrutinizes the move-in checklist, and goes, "Well what you wrote is that it was a 'small, round, brown mark on the carpet, 1 ft from the patio door.' This looks like a burn."

I say, "Well I wasn't sure it was a burn, so I decided to describe it instead. It is a round brown mark, and it is 1 ft from the patio door. Clearly, we are talking about the same thing. I want something in writing."

She refused to provide anything and goes, "Ohhhh wellllll, we'll have to see what management thinks."

It ended up not being an issue, because, when the mailing came several weeks later, I found I wasn't charged for the round brown mark/burn/whatever. But you can bet I was fuming for those few weeks.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:07 pm

Renting really is for chumps. I've lost ALL sympathy for landlords who get deadbeats who don't pay and raise hell and trash the place - I've started to feel like a lot of them get what they deserve. They don't treat the good ones who are quiet, treat the place like their own and always pay on time and in full any better than the deadbeats and in fact they try to jerk us around EVERY chance they get. So when I hear of someone not paying and trashing the place and turning it into a crackhouse, I think good serves that prick right to get a taste of his own medicine, getting screwed over by someone that just doesn't care. What comes around goes around.

I'm not doing the walkthrough with them it's a waste of time. I know what needs to be done before I leave. 500 bucks to clean fan blades? Hell I'll quit my job and do it for that rate of pay. I'm keeping it through 10/31, so they will get me paying the energy bill for it through then like they wanted they just won't get to rent it sooner, so I hope their pettiness that cost them money is worth it to them. I don't really care one way or the other I'd have had to pay the energy bill (small though it will be) if I stayed so no biggie. I'll just do that and be done and leave the keys and opener on the counter on the last day, and have a co-worker come with me to do a walk through as a witness to the condition of the place and take plenty of pictures of it, just in case. No games - a walkthrough without anything in writing from them is totally pointless.

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Postby Vattené » Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:29 pm

Yeah, I totally don't understand why they would even schedule a walk-through...?

I didn't even speak with anyone at my St. Louis place - just dropped the keys off in a box and got a $9 check in the mail a few months later for my deposit. They charged me $91 for "cleaning." No description of what was wrong or anything, just "cleaning." I got a good deal on the deposit. Because of my employer it only cost $100 (also no BS "application fee"). I would wager that "cleaning" would mysteriously have cost them more if I had a full deposit to start with.

I was happy to be done with them, though. It wasn't worth the time, money, or energy to try to fight anything. And that is exactly how they win.

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Postby rhipsher » Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:08 am

You are chump free my friend. Ownership is a huge step up from renting. Congrats. I've closed twice in my life and always wished I had a stamp made to avoid writers cramp when signing all of those documents. That sheet sucks. :ppp Now welcome to the neighborhood association. You will learn to hate them in time. :( Basically you pay them to harass you for things as small as leaving your garden hose unwound. And since you live in one of the most liberal states in the union have fun with that.



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