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Another Nerfing Session...Barclaycard Arrival+

Postby lobbythis » Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:37 am

Wondered what has been going on with their site. The partner cards are back up, but Arrival and Arrival+ were removed. Well, they decided to make the card suck more. For those who already own this card, does it look as drastic as people are making it out to be? I can't tell. The card still looks OK, if you use it enough to justify the AF, but now I'm hesitant to apply when it's available again.



Barclaycard will lower the redemption bonus for both the Arrival and Arrival Plus cards from 10% to 5% starting in November. As part of this change, Barclaycard will be applying the redemption bonus to additional categories, such as cash back, gift cards and merchandise, in addition to travel.

The changes to these rates effectively reduces the 2.22% return to 2.11% on cash back — making the card a tougher sell with so many other competitive products, especially with an annual fee.

For Arrival Plus cardholders, the minimum threshold to redeem for travel is being raised from 5,000 to 10,000 miles. The cash minimum redemption is also being raised from 2,500 Arrival miles to 5,000.

Barclaycard is also completely eliminating the tourist attraction category in an effort to eliminate confusion surrounding the definition of a tourist attraction, and what expenses actually apply. The TripIt subscription formerly included with the card will also be cut with this new refresh.


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Re: Another Nerfing Session...Barclaycard Arrival+

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:44 pm

I've tried to call Barclaycard twice recently. Admittedly, my only real aim in calling was to fish around for a mini-bonus. Both times they kept me waiting on hold until I had to do other things after 5 and 7 minutes of waiting.

Still, though, the delays would have been very worrying if my calls were about fraud concerns. Maybe there is some irony to this, if people like me are part of the cause of the delay.

I've noticed on MyFico that a lot of the people who love this card so much probably wouldn't qualify or a CSP or EDP. Even a promo-boosted Discover can beat Arrival+ if you can find a suitable gift card offer.

I would be really uneasy about having Arrival+ as a primary card.

I wonder how much the nerfing will hurt them. I think Arrival+ is already pretty vulnerable to bonus hunters. It's not really a card a non-geek would ordinarily get like Chase Freedom, BofA Cash Rewards, or an Amex card.
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Re: Another Nerfing Session...Barclaycard Arrival+

Postby lobbythis » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:28 pm

On top of the nerfing and negativity I've seen lately towards it online, I've also never seen anyone talk about having high limits with the Arrival or Arrival+ or any other glowing reviews for that matter. Just seems like a lot of frustration for a flagship card and not something I could count on as a daily driver. Oh well. Was hoping they'd start making more of an impact here in the USA, but they just seem to be floundering around with mediocre cards.

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Re: Another Nerfing Session...Barclaycard Arrival+

Postby kdm31091 » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:43 am

lobbythis wrote:Wondered what has been going on with their site. The partner cards are back up, but Arrival and Arrival+ were removed. Well, they decided to make the card suck more. For those who already own this card, does it look as drastic as people are making it out to be? I can't tell. The card still looks OK, if you use it enough to justify the AF, but now I'm hesitant to apply when it's available again.



Barclaycard will lower the redemption bonus for both the Arrival and Arrival Plus cards from 10% to 5% starting in November. As part of this change, Barclaycard will be applying the redemption bonus to additional categories, such as cash back, gift cards and merchandise, in addition to travel.

The changes to these rates effectively reduces the 2.22% return to 2.11% on cash back — making the card a tougher sell with so many other competitive products, especially with an annual fee.

For Arrival Plus cardholders, the minimum threshold to redeem for travel is being raised from 5,000 to 10,000 miles. The cash minimum redemption is also being raised from 2,500 Arrival miles to 5,000.

Barclaycard is also completely eliminating the tourist attraction category in an effort to eliminate confusion surrounding the definition of a tourist attraction, and what expenses actually apply. The TripIt subscription formerly included with the card will also be cut with this new refresh.


I said it on myfico and got yelled at because no one wants to hear it but in my mind there is almost NOBODY who this card would make sense for at this point.

An $89 fee for 2.1% back (and only redeemable for travel) vs free alternatives like DC or Fidelity that give 2% for free redeemable for cash/whatever?

I have no idea why anyone would want this card at this point, other than those who fall for the marketing and think there's some sort of travel benefit to it. The only thing I can see is if you really, really need a chip+pin card or something, but you're paying $89 for the privilege.

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Re: Another Nerfing Session...Barclaycard Arrival+

Postby Nixon » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:57 am

Good thing we are closing this EOY and rolling limit to wife's Aviator White. :)
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Re: Another Nerfing Session...Barclaycard Arrival+

Postby CarefulBuilder14 » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:18 am

The stricter redemption rules are definitely bad. $25 against a train ride or taxi is good, but a $100+ purchase is more likely to be a hotel room or flight, for which I have better cards (and the option to use UR/MR points).

I take it Barclaycard is still refusing to let people PC from Arrival+ to the no-AF version? I think they'll have a lot of accounts that close. Of course, that's probably simpler for them than having a lot of customers with no-AF Arrivals that hardly get used.

I'll keep my no-AF version for the shopping portal and general history. It's definitely at the bottom of my list of "special use" cards.

*If I were designing a new card for them, it would be one with no AF, a useful 3% or 4% rewards category, and a smaller signup bonus. Apart from the Aviator line, they really have nothing that stands out for customers as a good long-term option. They need a new flagship card, and to realize that their cards' only appeal is an easy-to-use signup bonus.
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Re: Another Nerfing Session...Barclaycard Arrival+

Postby lobbythis » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:49 am

TPG just released his valuations and Barclaycard ranks the worst. Time for them to just pull out of USA and go back home.

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Re: Another Nerfing Session...Barclaycard Arrival+

Postby Nixon » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:51 am

lobbythis wrote:TPG just released his valuations and Barclaycard ranks the worst. Time for them to just pull out of USA and go back home.


But then I'd have no AA card.
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Re: Another Nerfing Session...Barclaycard Arrival+

Postby morgacj2004 » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:30 pm

BC is not going anywhere. They are re-vamping the Arrival and Arrival+ some speculation as to whether or not the cards will retain the name. They are supposed to be making an announcement and accepting new applications July 14-15. Lets wait and see what happens. Its funny how all of the web sites including Points Guy were big on the BC bandwagon just a few months ago and suddenly BC is no good!! Have to laugh about that one. :rolleyes:

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Re: Another Nerfing Session...Barclaycard Arrival+

Postby Vermonster » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:45 pm

The Arrival+ site is up but not linked to their main site.

http://www.findmybarclaycard.com/barcla ... eferrerid=

Looks like it is still a competitive card. Though they are being very misleading about comparing their 10% refund to the CSP's "lack" of a bonus in redeeming points. I would love to have a WEMC with true chip+PIN, but that $89 AF isn't worth it when I already have the CSP and BCP.
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