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Does this practice make anyone else uncomfortable?

Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:31 am

I looked for a new job recently, fruitlessly, that's a story in and of itself maybe I can put those experiences for enteraining reading in the Lounge for those interested (hearing the Ministry of Propaganda tell it, happy days are here again, but if you've actually looked for a job lately you know better).

One thing they started doing that makes me very uncomfortable is I had recruiters asking me for my home address (why are you going to stalk me?) and the last 4 digits of my SSN. From what I've seen that alone can make you vulnerable to ID theft as that's all they ask you for on a lot of sites that pull your credit to see if you are pre-approved. (For example the link from this site to creditcards.com).

I refused to give this info, in one case I gave a fake last 4 and I just tell recruiters I don't give out my address over the internet because I don't want every nutjob out there having my physical address (I use a PO Box). The last outfit I flat out refused to give this to just to maybe get an interview, and told them I've worked very hard on building good credit and NO job is worth destroying that to me. End of story. I never heard back, but that's my feeling on it.

Do these sort of questions make anyone else uneasy too? I've noticed they've also started asking your DOB which first I thought is illegal at that stage and again leads me to think they are ID theft fishing. They seem to do whatever the hell they want to these days figuring they'll get away with it regardless (which is true).

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Postby agp » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:32 am

Depends on where you are looking for jobs. If you are applying for some position at We Give Free Money LLC then you probably shouldn't give away your SSN and address. But if the company is legitimate, it doesn't make me uncomfortable at all to give away my address or four digits of my social.

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Postby djrez4 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:53 pm

You have to give them your full social when you fill out a W4. If you don't trust them enough to give your last four digits when you apply, how are you going to be ok with giving them the whole thing to get paid?
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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:09 pm

I'm not talking about the company itself after you get a job. I'm talking about to some recruiter (headhunter) who is telling you they "require" this in order to maybe interview you.

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Postby djrez4 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:14 pm

MemberSince99 wrote:I'm not talking about the company itself after you get a job. I'm talking about to some recruiter (headhunter) who is telling you they "require" this in order to maybe interview you.


In that case, I believe "go pound sand" is an appropriate retort.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:02 pm

That's kind of the terminology I was thinking of.

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Postby DoingHomework » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:29 pm

A recruiter is going to need a way to contact you. Asking for a home address is a whole lot better than sending you things at your current work address. If you are worried about it, rent a PO box. The SSN request is bizare, and possibly illegal. People should know that the last 4 digits are the only part that can't be determined by just a small amount of personal information.

I think what is going on is that these headhunters are working for the companies. Not all headhunters do that. Some work for you. The determinant is whether you pay them. If they work for the company then they likely are paid to do background checks on applicants to prequalify the candidates. They probably do a public records check for bankruptcies, collections, and convictions and they possibly do a soft pull on credit. They might check lexis nexis too and could have access to information like your assets and so forth.

I find the whole thing as creepy as you do. But it is not illegal. Your choice is to either provide the information for their games or move on. That is unfortunate but true.

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Postby Bksuper » Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:51 am

It (SSN) can be used legitimately for background checks and work eligibility (such as citizenship/immigration status). A PO box address should be fine, but they may need to send you mail or verify residency close enough to them for their demands for the job. I'm selective about giving my SSN only to banks I'm applying for an account from, insurance companies, and (potential) employers, but if it's a legitimate company (not a shady small business) and I sought them out (not from Craigslist ads or emailed ad from an unknown person/group) I will provide that information. If I provide it online, I check that they use the proper https and encryption. There's nothing you can do to prevent identity theft 100%, just be cautious, and monitor your credit reports for suspicious activity.
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Postby MemberSince99 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:36 am

My response to some recruiter who requests that for maybe getting me an interview in the future is going to be 'Go pound sand'.

The last guy, I gave him the digits reversed then never heard a word. Even if I had, I really don't want my identity stolen and my credit ruined. I worked too hard to get things where they are.

These people lie and play games with you, they are salesmen never believe a word they say - if their lips are moving they are lying just like our brilliant and wonderful politicians. I'm protecting my ID they can go pound sand with that stuff. Even if I don't have a job, I'm not going to destroy my credit at the demand of these jerks. I have a rear end they can kiss if they don't like that. Go scam someone else. And I would say all you guys better be careful with that as who knows what is and isn't legit. These snakes know the economy blows and they are taking advantage all they can.

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Postby DoingHomework » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:21 am

MemberSince99 wrote:These people lie and play games with you, they are salesmen never believe a word they say


I have worked with recruiters on both sides of the equation and from hiring day labor to executives. I certainly would not argue with what you say about some of them. But like everything else, it depends on many factors. I have found that some of the temp firms are very good and respectable. I have worked with two that I won't name. One specializes in engineers and technicians and the other in secretarial and administrative people. I have worked with them as the employer. They do ask the candidates a lot of screening questions and will offer to do background checks. But only is the employer checks the right box. That is not something we ever asked for. Again, I always found these companies to be very respectable and I know the people we hired through them generally did not have any complaints.

I have also worked with an executive recruiter trying to find a new job while I held a very good executive position. I asked that he be extremely discreet and he was. This guy still calls me about one a year. His terms were that he gets 20% of my first year's salary for any job over a certain amount that he gets me. So he is out selling me. He found a couple of opportunities for me that I declined for various reasons. But his payday would have been pretty good. The field I work in is small so I have a pretty good idea where he circulated my resume and who he talked to. Some of them reported back to me after figuring out who I was. This guy never asked me for anything but my resume, The jobs I might take could potential require security clearances so we did discuss that kind of thing but he never needed my SSN or anything like that.

The last type I get contacted by all the time. They are the ones who fish in the Linkedin profiles looking for people then try to sell them to companies. Some are hired by companies to do this and others freelance. They tend to me a bit on the slimy side, at least some of them. I sometimes respond to their messages for jobs I might be interested in. I have been asked to provide lots of information. But I refuse mostly because, at my level, no one needs to know any of that to interview me and I don't want to work for a place that is going to put me through a bunch of HR crap first. That may not be a luxury that everyone has though.

You mentioned you are in IT, right? If you have 10 years of experience and have done anything high profile or in a leadership role, I suggest you contact a head hunter on your own that will work for you. You might just find that they can get you a much better job than you ever imagined. They would be out selling YOU. They might also tell you that you are not high-end material. If they do, ask why. You might get very good advice that you can use to improve yourself so that you are that kind of guy in a year or two. Sometimes working in a specific area for a few months is all it takes.



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